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<blockquote data-quote="Hohige" data-source="post: 8176809" data-attributes="member: 7019463"><p>Lets see.</p><p>You are surprised If the creature wins your passive perception.</p><p>When a hidden creature attacks you, automatically revealing himself. So, roll initiative.</p><p>Without Alert, you can't move or use reaction.</p><p>With Alert, It means that you have move action and reaction, <strong>nothing more.</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p>The initiative was rolled because the Rogue came out of the Hidden condition. This does not happen with Subtle Spell.</p><p>Subtle spell doesnt reveal the hidden creature. So, no initiative for you.</p><p></p><p></p><p><em>"The GM determines who might be surprised. If neither side tries to be stealthy, they automatically notice each other. Otherwise, the GM compares the <a href="https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Ability%20Scores#h-Dexterity" target="_blank">Dexterity</a> (Stealth) checks of anyone <a href="https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Ability%20Scores#h-Hiding" target="_blank">Hiding</a> with the passive <a href="https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Ability%20Scores#h-Wisdom" target="_blank">Wisdom</a> (Perception) score of each creature on the opposing side. Any character or monster that doesn’t notice a threat is surprised at the start of the encounter.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em><strong>If you’re surprised, you can’t move or take an action on your first turn of the combat, and you can’t take a <a href="https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Sorcerer#h-Reaction" target="_blank">Reaction</a> until that turn ends.</strong> A member of a group can be surprised even if the other <a href="https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Members%20Only#h-Members" target="_blank">Members</a> aren’t."</em></p><p></p><p>The Initiative was never rolled.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hohige, post: 8176809, member: 7019463"] Lets see. You are surprised If the creature wins your passive perception. When a hidden creature attacks you, automatically revealing himself. So, roll initiative. Without Alert, you can't move or use reaction. With Alert, It means that you have move action and reaction, [B]nothing more.[/B] The initiative was rolled because the Rogue came out of the Hidden condition. This does not happen with Subtle Spell. Subtle spell doesnt reveal the hidden creature. So, no initiative for you. [I]"The GM determines who might be surprised. If neither side tries to be stealthy, they automatically notice each other. Otherwise, the GM compares the [URL='https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Ability%20Scores#h-Dexterity']Dexterity[/URL] (Stealth) checks of anyone [URL='https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Ability%20Scores#h-Hiding']Hiding[/URL] with the passive [URL='https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Ability%20Scores#h-Wisdom']Wisdom[/URL] (Perception) score of each creature on the opposing side. Any character or monster that doesn’t notice a threat is surprised at the start of the encounter. [B]If you’re surprised, you can’t move or take an action on your first turn of the combat, and you can’t take a [URL='https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Sorcerer#h-Reaction']Reaction[/URL] until that turn ends.[/B] A member of a group can be surprised even if the other [URL='https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Members%20Only#h-Members']Members[/URL] aren’t."[/I] The Initiative was never rolled. [/QUOTE]
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