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<blockquote data-quote="Hohige" data-source="post: 8178863" data-attributes="member: 7019463"><p>Congratulations Alfred was very good and creative. But he already died.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><em>"Now that it is agreed that Initiative is rolled whenever an hostile action is taken"</em></p><p></p><p>I couldn't agree more.</p><p></p><p>But, there is no hostile action perceived, felt, seen by The Wizard.</p><p>No initiative for something you don't feel, see, perceive. No matter what you say, the Wizard will never roll an initiative.</p><p></p><p></p><p><em>"that the Sorcerer is unable to maintain his Mind Blank over him, his copy and his DMM over the whole day (because unless presented a regular way to achieve that, I deem it's impossible and I am, so far, unchallenged), we can resume our regular defeating of sorcerers."</em></p><p></p><p></p><p>I coun't disagree more. The Bastion does not need Mind Blank continuously. Since it has Nondetection. Which means that if he wants, his 9th slot is available.</p><p></p><p></p><p><em>"PART I: THE INVESTIGATION."</em></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'verdana'">This is the biggest mistake. </span></strong>The Bastion is a psychopath without emotion, manipulator and knows very well that he must remain in the shadows. Manipulating people and etc.</p><p></p><p>Your biggest flaw is that the premise that you know clearly who he really is, and even worse his alignment and even worse his class.</p><p>You just don't know who the threat is, you don't know its alignment, you don't know your class, let alone your kinship, all your investigation fails here.</p><p>The wizard doesn't even know if it is an entity or any other supernatural creature or just a lie from your "friends" wizards. It's a mystery.</p><p>It's totally undetectable, it is plausible to think that it is an Evil Divinity.</p><p>From the beginning it is clear that the Sorcerer is a Hidden Threat and that the enemy will never know who he really is.</p><p>The Sorcerer is invincible with lies and deception.</p><p></p><p>Deception, Persuation, Intimidation checks + 27 ~ 37 + 1d4, Telephatics Speechs, Magical Guidance.</p><p>When Bastion really wants to manipulate creatures, He casts Subtel / Extended Wish: Glibness spell to have more than 31 ~ 36 + 1d4 Deception/Persuation/Intimidation Check for 2 hours a day. Using Telephatic feat and Subtle Spell, The bastion is by far the most manipulative caracter of the game by a large margin.</p><p>When he attacks, he is completely covered, covering his face completely, with unbeatiable Disguise Check and Seeming Spell.</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]131730[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>With Subtle Dominate Person, Subtle Mass Suggestion, Subtle Detect Through turns him into the greatest manipulator in the world, without any chance.</p><p>Can he be any creature, The king? Your advisor? A dancer?</p><p>After all the best monkey skill in the game, it never fails.</p><p></p><p>Sorcerers are creatures that gain their power without clear explanation, without dependence on gods and without schools of magic. Your life can be totally anonymous. A psychopath never reveals his origins, many times not even the Sorcerer knows,</p><p></p><p>And no, these spells don't work against someone you don't know, because neither you nor anyone else knows where Hidden Threat and Mind Blank and Nondetection spell <strong>hidden</strong> you against Divination come from.</p><p>Also, Contact Other Plane is totally DM fiat spell.</p><p>And no matter what you do, the Sorcerer is hiden against Divination, you don't know him and Alfred is already a Stone Chicken.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Alfred is just a 8 Cha fat Wizard.</p><p></p><p>Alfred, who is already a Stone Chicken, has failed miserably in several attempts to use divination against those he does not know and is fully protected against Divination Magic. Unfortunately.</p><p></p><p>Everything from there failed.</p><p></p><p>Also, Conjure Elemental doesn't give you the chance to Summon an Invisible Stalker. Because the DM chooses the creature and not you. It's a DM fiat spell. No Invisible Stalker avaiable. Following Sage Advice Compendium.</p><p></p><p>I already thought about doing this combo, but I was frustrated to know who chooses the creatures is the DM, who appeared to you was "Magma Mephit" and not Invisible Stalker.</p><p></p><p>That in the hand of the predator, The Bastion, would be really insane against Wizards.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hohige, post: 8178863, member: 7019463"] Congratulations Alfred was very good and creative. But he already died. [I]"Now that it is agreed that Initiative is rolled whenever an hostile action is taken"[/I] I couldn't agree more. But, there is no hostile action perceived, felt, seen by The Wizard. No initiative for something you don't feel, see, perceive. No matter what you say, the Wizard will never roll an initiative. [I]"that the Sorcerer is unable to maintain his Mind Blank over him, his copy and his DMM over the whole day (because unless presented a regular way to achieve that, I deem it's impossible and I am, so far, unchallenged), we can resume our regular defeating of sorcerers."[/I] I coun't disagree more. The Bastion does not need Mind Blank continuously. Since it has Nondetection. Which means that if he wants, his 9th slot is available. [I]"PART I: THE INVESTIGATION."[/I] [B][FONT=verdana]This is the biggest mistake. [/FONT][/B]The Bastion is a psychopath without emotion, manipulator and knows very well that he must remain in the shadows. Manipulating people and etc. Your biggest flaw is that the premise that you know clearly who he really is, and even worse his alignment and even worse his class. You just don't know who the threat is, you don't know its alignment, you don't know your class, let alone your kinship, all your investigation fails here. The wizard doesn't even know if it is an entity or any other supernatural creature or just a lie from your "friends" wizards. It's a mystery. It's totally undetectable, it is plausible to think that it is an Evil Divinity. From the beginning it is clear that the Sorcerer is a Hidden Threat and that the enemy will never know who he really is. The Sorcerer is invincible with lies and deception. Deception, Persuation, Intimidation checks + 27 ~ 37 + 1d4, Telephatics Speechs, Magical Guidance. When Bastion really wants to manipulate creatures, He casts Subtel / Extended Wish: Glibness spell to have more than 31 ~ 36 + 1d4 Deception/Persuation/Intimidation Check for 2 hours a day. Using Telephatic feat and Subtle Spell, The bastion is by far the most manipulative caracter of the game by a large margin. When he attacks, he is completely covered, covering his face completely, with unbeatiable Disguise Check and Seeming Spell. [ATTACH type="full" alt="1611445779725.png"]131730[/ATTACH] With Subtle Dominate Person, Subtle Mass Suggestion, Subtle Detect Through turns him into the greatest manipulator in the world, without any chance. Can he be any creature, The king? Your advisor? A dancer? After all the best monkey skill in the game, it never fails. Sorcerers are creatures that gain their power without clear explanation, without dependence on gods and without schools of magic. Your life can be totally anonymous. A psychopath never reveals his origins, many times not even the Sorcerer knows, And no, these spells don't work against someone you don't know, because neither you nor anyone else knows where Hidden Threat and Mind Blank and Nondetection spell [B]hidden[/B] you against Divination come from. Also, Contact Other Plane is totally DM fiat spell. And no matter what you do, the Sorcerer is hiden against Divination, you don't know him and Alfred is already a Stone Chicken. Alfred is just a 8 Cha fat Wizard. Alfred, who is already a Stone Chicken, has failed miserably in several attempts to use divination against those he does not know and is fully protected against Divination Magic. Unfortunately. Everything from there failed. Also, Conjure Elemental doesn't give you the chance to Summon an Invisible Stalker. Because the DM chooses the creature and not you. It's a DM fiat spell. No Invisible Stalker avaiable. Following Sage Advice Compendium. I already thought about doing this combo, but I was frustrated to know who chooses the creatures is the DM, who appeared to you was "Magma Mephit" and not Invisible Stalker. That in the hand of the predator, The Bastion, would be really insane against Wizards. [/QUOTE]
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