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<blockquote data-quote="Jfdlsjfd" data-source="post: 8179374" data-attributes="member: 42856"><p>"I run Stealth once, and I keep my result until I am found", despite doing anything else including being in plain sight -- A Foggy Bottom Interlude, with a strong helping of Calvinball.</p><p></p><p>On average, commoner's passive perception check is 10. On average, commoner's stealth check is +0. Every morning, when getting up, everyone in the world is spending 6 seconds to hide. On average, half of the world's population become undetectable to the rest of the world until they go to sleep. They can enter shops, open the cashier, take the money. It's not like the shopper can spend an action doing a Search check, because at the same time he is occupied attending to a patron. Plus, unless the thief says "hi", he has no visual clue or auditory clue. Therefore, he doesn't roll initiative and can't take action. Hence most of the thief usually get out of the shop after having stolen the clothes of the shopkeeper. When the shopkeeper realize he's nude, he can try to do a Search action, but the thief has moved away.</p><p></p><p>Worse, regular house cats have +4 Stealth. That means that on average, <em>75% of cats are invisible to the general populatio</em>n, unless they attack.</p><p>In dim light, no commoner can even notice a pack of cats. No wonder people have faith in fey spirits: cat food is generally being eaten by unseen creatures.</p><p></p><p>Speaking of Animals, you'd say the mostly naked shopkeepers would put dogs into their shop to protect their goods and decency?</p><p>No way, your pack of hunting dogs has passive perception 13. They won't detect 35% of the general population, with no thief training, who hide for six seconds in the morning. They can't take a Search action because there is no visual cue of the commoner's presence! So, the commoner would roll daily, go to the shop. If the dog barks, buy a loaf of bread. If the dogs stays silent, you rolled high in the morning, let's plunder the bakery!</p><p></p><p>To the despair of shopkeepers, imagine the unskilled commoner wants to really, really, steal his pants. On the morning, he'd ask his wife to spend six seconds on a Help action. Given that she would have to roll initative to take a Help action, of course, that means she would need to slap her husband first, but hey, the benefit of rolling on his Stealth check with advantage far outweighs a daily slapping! Now, he'd be undetectable on average 75% of the days! If he was from an urchin background, he'd be undetectable 90% of the time. That's why most people think street urchins are clumsy south of Candlekeep:<em> those with more than 14 DEX are never ever seen by the non-heroic population. And they own many pairs of pants.</em></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jfdlsjfd, post: 8179374, member: 42856"] "I run Stealth once, and I keep my result until I am found", despite doing anything else including being in plain sight -- A Foggy Bottom Interlude, with a strong helping of Calvinball. On average, commoner's passive perception check is 10. On average, commoner's stealth check is +0. Every morning, when getting up, everyone in the world is spending 6 seconds to hide. On average, half of the world's population become undetectable to the rest of the world until they go to sleep. They can enter shops, open the cashier, take the money. It's not like the shopper can spend an action doing a Search check, because at the same time he is occupied attending to a patron. Plus, unless the thief says "hi", he has no visual clue or auditory clue. Therefore, he doesn't roll initiative and can't take action. Hence most of the thief usually get out of the shop after having stolen the clothes of the shopkeeper. When the shopkeeper realize he's nude, he can try to do a Search action, but the thief has moved away. Worse, regular house cats have +4 Stealth. That means that on average, [I]75% of cats are invisible to the general populatio[/I]n, unless they attack. In dim light, no commoner can even notice a pack of cats. No wonder people have faith in fey spirits: cat food is generally being eaten by unseen creatures. Speaking of Animals, you'd say the mostly naked shopkeepers would put dogs into their shop to protect their goods and decency? No way, your pack of hunting dogs has passive perception 13. They won't detect 35% of the general population, with no thief training, who hide for six seconds in the morning. They can't take a Search action because there is no visual cue of the commoner's presence! So, the commoner would roll daily, go to the shop. If the dog barks, buy a loaf of bread. If the dogs stays silent, you rolled high in the morning, let's plunder the bakery! To the despair of shopkeepers, imagine the unskilled commoner wants to really, really, steal his pants. On the morning, he'd ask his wife to spend six seconds on a Help action. Given that she would have to roll initative to take a Help action, of course, that means she would need to slap her husband first, but hey, the benefit of rolling on his Stealth check with advantage far outweighs a daily slapping! Now, he'd be undetectable on average 75% of the days! If he was from an urchin background, he'd be undetectable 90% of the time. That's why most people think street urchins are clumsy south of Candlekeep:[I] those with more than 14 DEX are never ever seen by the non-heroic population. And they own many pairs of pants.[/I] [/QUOTE]
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