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<blockquote data-quote="Hohige" data-source="post: 8188805" data-attributes="member: 7019463"><p><em>"You can disagree all you like, but that is the history of that particular creature. It isn't a species, but rather a unique individual that wished for the physical form of an otter (or approximately that of an otter; I think he can still talk and use his forepaws as hands and whatnot)."</em></p><p></p><p>And? Polymorph turns you into a beasts with CR equal or lower your level, It doesn't care about be unique or not.</p><p>The Traxigor is a beast CR 12. It's a valid choice.</p><p></p><p><em>"You see the end of that line: "The creature is limited in the actions it can perform by the nature of its new form, <strong>AND</strong> it can't speak, cast spells, or take any action that requires <strong>hands or speech</strong>." The AND is adding another restriction to the Polymorph form. It means that you are BOTH limited by the nature of your new form AND that you can't speak or cast spells (or use your hands)."</em></p><p></p><p>You can't cast spells that requires hands or speech. Trabaxi has hands and can speech.</p><p>It's clear as water.</p><p></p><p><em>"You still don't know how D&D initiative works. If you declare a hostile action, initiative is rolled. That's it. It's not about what the target perceives, it's about your action declaration. If it helps you conceptualize it more clearly, think of things that remove surprise (the Alert feat, Foresight) as something like Spidey Sense. If a person isn't surprised (after your hostile action declaration), and if they win initiative then they can take an action, secure in the knowledge that some unseen entity was about to start some hostilities with them. Don't like that? Then stop pretending you are playing (or discussing the play of) 5e D&D."</em></p><p></p><p>I strongly disagree.</p><p>You are not involved in combat against someone that you can't see, detect or feel.</p><p>It's intuitive and easy.</p><p></p><p>Try your luck with your DM saying. I can't see anything, feel anything and I'm going to roll initive. <strong>He will laugh at you.</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p>Let's imagine this hilarious scene:</p><p></p><p>Nothing happens for you and your DM:</p><p>Roll initiative.</p><p>You win.</p><p></p><p>Player metagamer: What I see?</p><p>DM: Nothing</p><p>Player metagamer: What I feel?</p><p>DM: Nothing</p><p>Player metagamer: is something threatening me?</p><p>DM: You don't know</p><p>Player metagame: I teleport to my demiplane, get a nuclear bomb and use to destroy that place.</p><p>DM: <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f633.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":oops:" title="Oops! :oops:" data-smilie="10"data-shortname=":oops:" /> . You lose XP for Metagame.</p><p></p><p><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f923.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":ROFLMAO:" title="ROFL :ROFLMAO:" data-smilie="18"data-shortname=":ROFLMAO:" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f923.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":ROFLMAO:" title="ROFL :ROFLMAO:" data-smilie="18"data-shortname=":ROFLMAO:" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f923.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":ROFLMAO:" title="ROFL :ROFLMAO:" data-smilie="18"data-shortname=":ROFLMAO:" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f923.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":ROFLMAO:" title="ROFL :ROFLMAO:" data-smilie="18"data-shortname=":ROFLMAO:" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f923.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":ROFLMAO:" title="ROFL :ROFLMAO:" data-smilie="18"data-shortname=":ROFLMAO:" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f923.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":ROFLMAO:" title="ROFL :ROFLMAO:" data-smilie="18"data-shortname=":ROFLMAO:" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f923.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":ROFLMAO:" title="ROFL :ROFLMAO:" data-smilie="18"data-shortname=":ROFLMAO:" /></p><p></p><p>For you? Is this how D&D 5e works? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f923.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":ROFLMAO:" title="ROFL :ROFLMAO:" data-smilie="18"data-shortname=":ROFLMAO:" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f923.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":ROFLMAO:" title="ROFL :ROFLMAO:" data-smilie="18"data-shortname=":ROFLMAO:" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f923.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":ROFLMAO:" title="ROFL :ROFLMAO:" data-smilie="18"data-shortname=":ROFLMAO:" /></p><p></p><p></p><p><em>"s to the subtle spell on Planar Binding stuff, if it is possible to get the spell off subtly (presumably by Wish), then that still doesn't mean that the creature obeys your mental command without twisting it. They might not recognize your face, but they are likely to be hostile to whomever bound them, and so those orders are very likely to be . . . creatively interpreted."</em></p><p></p><p>By Wish or Standard Spell.</p><p></p><p>Are you ruling?</p><p>Hostile for what? a mental mensage <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f923.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":ROFLMAO:" title="ROFL :ROFLMAO:" data-smilie="18"data-shortname=":ROFLMAO:" />?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hohige, post: 8188805, member: 7019463"] [I]"You can disagree all you like, but that is the history of that particular creature. It isn't a species, but rather a unique individual that wished for the physical form of an otter (or approximately that of an otter; I think he can still talk and use his forepaws as hands and whatnot)."[/I] And? Polymorph turns you into a beasts with CR equal or lower your level, It doesn't care about be unique or not. The Traxigor is a beast CR 12. It's a valid choice. [I]"You see the end of that line: "The creature is limited in the actions it can perform by the nature of its new form, [B]AND[/B] it can't speak, cast spells, or take any action that requires [B]hands or speech[/B]." The AND is adding another restriction to the Polymorph form. It means that you are BOTH limited by the nature of your new form AND that you can't speak or cast spells (or use your hands)."[/I] You can't cast spells that requires hands or speech. Trabaxi has hands and can speech. It's clear as water. [I]"You still don't know how D&D initiative works. If you declare a hostile action, initiative is rolled. That's it. It's not about what the target perceives, it's about your action declaration. If it helps you conceptualize it more clearly, think of things that remove surprise (the Alert feat, Foresight) as something like Spidey Sense. If a person isn't surprised (after your hostile action declaration), and if they win initiative then they can take an action, secure in the knowledge that some unseen entity was about to start some hostilities with them. Don't like that? Then stop pretending you are playing (or discussing the play of) 5e D&D."[/I] I strongly disagree. You are not involved in combat against someone that you can't see, detect or feel. It's intuitive and easy. Try your luck with your DM saying. I can't see anything, feel anything and I'm going to roll initive. [B]He will laugh at you.[/B] Let's imagine this hilarious scene: Nothing happens for you and your DM: Roll initiative. You win. Player metagamer: What I see? DM: Nothing Player metagamer: What I feel? DM: Nothing Player metagamer: is something threatening me? DM: You don't know Player metagame: I teleport to my demiplane, get a nuclear bomb and use to destroy that place. DM: :oops: . You lose XP for Metagame. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: For you? Is this how D&D 5e works? :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: [I]"s to the subtle spell on Planar Binding stuff, if it is possible to get the spell off subtly (presumably by Wish), then that still doesn't mean that the creature obeys your mental command without twisting it. They might not recognize your face, but they are likely to be hostile to whomever bound them, and so those orders are very likely to be . . . creatively interpreted."[/I] By Wish or Standard Spell. Are you ruling? Hostile for what? a mental mensage :ROFLMAO:? [/QUOTE]
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