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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jfdlsjfd" data-source="post: 8189850" data-attributes="member: 42856">We have a slightly differing interpration. I read that can still benefit from hiding even when your position is revealed.The complete quote from the PHB is this:From the fist bolded passage, we learn that hiding is DM fiat, therefore unavailable within the context of this thread.From the second, I read that you can't "hide in plain sight" but if you make noise for example (or, in this case, use a material component) it doesn't state that you can't hide but that your location is revealed (while still being hidden). From the next sentence, we learn that invisible creatures aren't automatically hidden (since they can only "try to hide", ie, make a Stealth roll) despite being invisible. If they fail, they are unseen, but not hidden.From the "Unseen Attackers and Targets" section, there is a mechanical disadvantage to attacker a creature one can't see.I think the distinction is hidden is "unseen and unheard" which is achieved by hiding successfully, then you can either be "no longer hidden" (say because you leave your hiding place or the person you're hiding from changes location and suddenly you're in plain sight from him) or still hidden, but with your location known. "I know there is a sniper in the farm over there, he's firing from the window.... but I can't see him nonetheless". I don't think you're automatically no longer hidden when you take an action that reveal your location. I suppose you take "reveal his position" to mean "stops hiding"?That's a point we're agreeing all along.</blockquote>

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