2nd & 3rd level Prestige Classes?
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In Races of Stone there's the Stoneblessed which you can qualify after 2nd-level. Basically makes you the "adopted son" of either a dwarf, gnome, or goliath, gaining some of their racial abilities.
Would I like to see more? Sure, if it fits the flavor. (The Stoneblessed and Master Specialist in Complete Mage fits that.) But there's a point that if it pops up too early, why not make it a base class instead? Stoneblessed meets the criteria because it's not a lot of abilities and only limited to three levels -- one can't exactly "stretch" a "dwarf" class into 20 levels (unless it's "Fighter"). Master Specialist doesn't need to be taken as soon as possible but it is nice to do so, and is still valuable if you take it at say, after 10th-level.
I also think it has to do with the metagame. I mean in D20 modern, characters can qualify for "Advanced Classes" after 3rd-level. In D&D, it seemed that someone decided that "hey, let's start it at 5th-level" and that was our baseline ever since.
Would I like to see more? Sure, if it fits the flavor. (The Stoneblessed and Master Specialist in Complete Mage fits that.) But there's a point that if it pops up too early, why not make it a base class instead? Stoneblessed meets the criteria because it's not a lot of abilities and only limited to three levels -- one can't exactly "stretch" a "dwarf" class into 20 levels (unless it's "Fighter"). Master Specialist doesn't need to be taken as soon as possible but it is nice to do so, and is still valuable if you take it at say, after 10th-level.
I also think it has to do with the metagame. I mean in D20 modern, characters can qualify for "Advanced Classes" after 3rd-level. In D&D, it seemed that someone decided that "hey, let's start it at 5th-level" and that was our baseline ever since.
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Zerovoid said:
Back in 3.0, Great Fortitude, Lightning Reflexes and Iron Will were Fighter bonus feats so you could take the class at 2nd-level if you were a 1st-level Human Fighter.
Actually Forsaker was a class you wanted to take as early as possible as its value deteriorated at higher levels (when you'll most likely have access to better magic items... or run out of magic items to "feed" the class).
Because Outsiders are proficient with all martial weapons, they can qualify for some of the PrCls that have that as a prereq alongside something like spellcasting ability fairly quickly- not all of them have LA adjustments, after all.
While that may shave a couple of levels off of qualification, I can't think of any that could be gained that quickly.
Similarly, those PrCls that require proficiency in 3 or fewer (unspecified) exotic weapons could be satisfied by monks fairly quickly.
While that may shave a couple of levels off of qualification, I can't think of any that could be gained that quickly.
Similarly, those PrCls that require proficiency in 3 or fewer (unspecified) exotic weapons could be satisfied by monks fairly quickly.
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charlesatan said:
Nope, those were never on the Fighter list. You may be mistaking a houserule of your group's for a core rule.
And technically, the racial paragon classes aren't prestige classes. Neither are D20 Modern's advanced classes (and D20M emphasizes multiclassing anyway).
Thematically, I figure it's just best for prestige classes to be something you don't attain until after you've gained some significant experience or recognition. A 3rd level Fighter may well be the hero of his village, but a 6th-level Fighter could be a dragon (....wyrmling) slayer, hero of a small city, or the undefeated champion of a town's gladiatorial arena (power attacking specialized spiked chain combat reflex improved tripper FTW!!). At which point he really deserves to be initiated into the secret techniques of the Master of Chains or whatever.
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