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Message: <blockquote data-quote="(Psi)SeveredHead" data-source="post: 1061350" data-attributes="member: 1165">I've been the proud DM of a group that uses Mass Enlarge Person. It made a big difference at 15th-level, which is odd for such a weak-looking spell.In any event I'm not seeing this as being very different from in 3.0. The stat buffs are only slightly more powerful (+4 vs +3.5), Enlarge Person is ... different (the reach and large weapon rules now make a difference), and Shillelagh is a bit insane <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Surprise should make a difference, enough to modify the EL. The exact amount varies, but 1 to 2 points seems good (higher if the party has a lot of spellcasters).</blockquote>