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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Elric" data-source="post: 1061454" data-attributes="member: 1139">Elder-Basilisk explained my point well.  The 3.5 buff spells are much less powerful than they were in 3.0.  However, they are still just as powerful for a short duration of time.  Then the ambushed group has no buff spells up at all and doesn't have a chance.I'm not sure that short-term ambush buffs are weaker in 3.5.  I haven't played much, but Shilelagh and Enlarge Person are stronger than they were in 3.0.  Haste is probably better at low levels for ambushes than it was in 3.0.  The buff spells are a tad more powerful.  This isn't even counting the bard's new abilities and spells.  Greater Invisibility is weaker than Improved Invisibility was because of the really short duration but in an ambush it is almost as strong as in 3.0.</blockquote>