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[3.5] check my logic: a way to stand up from prone without being tripped again
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<blockquote data-quote="Waldo" data-source="post: 1040153" data-attributes="member: 13316"><p>What suggests that he has less hit points? Do I have to be a high level fighter or barbarian to be tripped? Anyone can end up being tripped. As a DM, if I really wanted to screw a party, I'd send the tripping specialists against the weak party members. They have low Str (for trips and counter trips), low hp, and become less dangerous when immobile and in melee range. How long will the wizard last if he lays prone and attacks from there?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Instead he just trades swings with you at a 8 point swing in his favor. -4 to you, +4 to him. That's a better armored opponent with a the base attack of a fighter 4 levels higher. That's a pretty substantial disadvantage.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm not suggesting that the other tactic is better, I'm suggesting that the situation is broken. If your best option is to lie down on the ground and take swings, then you're up a creek without a paddle. You were saying that you felt it was a non-damaging, fairly benign situation, "You'll be OK". It's clearly not when your best solution is to lay on the ground like a slug and swing blindly.</p><p></p><p>Like I said, I don't think it will affect that many people in my games, but not because it couldn't. You give this ability to monsters with reach and people are going to get hosed.</p><p></p><p>Good thing we're all nice people, who would never exploit such situations. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></p><p></p><p>As a side note, I don't think you lose Dex to AC while prone, snipe, thank god <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Waldo, post: 1040153, member: 13316"] What suggests that he has less hit points? Do I have to be a high level fighter or barbarian to be tripped? Anyone can end up being tripped. As a DM, if I really wanted to screw a party, I'd send the tripping specialists against the weak party members. They have low Str (for trips and counter trips), low hp, and become less dangerous when immobile and in melee range. How long will the wizard last if he lays prone and attacks from there? Instead he just trades swings with you at a 8 point swing in his favor. -4 to you, +4 to him. That's a better armored opponent with a the base attack of a fighter 4 levels higher. That's a pretty substantial disadvantage. I'm not suggesting that the other tactic is better, I'm suggesting that the situation is broken. If your best option is to lie down on the ground and take swings, then you're up a creek without a paddle. You were saying that you felt it was a non-damaging, fairly benign situation, "You'll be OK". It's clearly not when your best solution is to lay on the ground like a slug and swing blindly. Like I said, I don't think it will affect that many people in my games, but not because it couldn't. You give this ability to monsters with reach and people are going to get hosed. Good thing we're all nice people, who would never exploit such situations. :D As a side note, I don't think you lose Dex to AC while prone, snipe, thank god :) [/QUOTE]
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