D&D 3E/3.5 3.5 Edition Reprints

avin

First Post
I'm siding Wotc in reprinting former editions.

You know, some people around isn't tied to playing only one edition. Around here we like to grab a system/edition and run one shots or short campaigns for fun.

I still have my 3.5 books... but if Wotc wants my money it's just reprint Planescape ;)
 

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johnsemlak

First Post
The potential issue that occurs: we've been assuming WotC own the full rights to all the old material lock, stock and barrel. But we also know from the days of the Dragon Archive that this isn't certain. A lot of the work done for TSR was done on custom contracts, and in many cases those contracts no longer exist. We don't know whether that applies only to the magazine content, or to everything (WotC may, of course).

God, I hope this is not true as I really want WotC to do some reprints of some of the classic stuff, and I maintain perhaps futile hope of a return to the sale of PDFs.

Still, assuming that your speculation is correct, it seems like WotC was selling or allowing the sale of PDFs for a long time before they stopped it, around 10 years I believe, all of it well after the Dragon Magazine CD and the fallout. It would be odd that it took them so long to spot the potential danger. And Dragon Magazine was a far more complex beast in terms of IP rights than individual TSR products, surely. Finally, if this was the reason PDFs of classic products were pulled, it doesn't explain why current product PDFs were also pulled at the same time.

If there are potential issues of rights ownership, wouldn't it most likely be with artwork, which could be left out of (or substititued) the reprints? (It could even be taken out of PDF versions).
 
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Aberzanzorax

First Post
I was easily able to choose (at least) 3 products for each. I mainly went with things I thought should be in print over personal favorites (e.g. I loves me some Lords of Madness and The two Fiend books...but went with things like the magic item compendium and such).

My one comment was regarding that I didn't see adventures on there. "Not available to vote upon were classic adventures (Return to the Temple of Element Evil, Red Hand of Doom, etc). I'd be as likely to buy that as any monster book (except MM1)."
 

I will be extremely surprised if we see anything from 3e beyond the core rulebooks reprinted. Virtually everything else is easily available on eBay, and in many cases the business case for publishing those items in the first place was borderline; doing a second printing at this point seems unlikely.

But attached there is a poll asking you what your favourite books and rule elements are...

I could perfectly see some "best of" products coming...
 


Dice4Hire

First Post
I see that also.

And am not unhappy about it. I hope things are broken into different books though, not jsut reprinting books as they originally came out.

I would like to see a basic rules book including combat, exploation and gameplay

A classes book

A prestige classes book

A monster book

And some classic adventures
 

And while I fully support them in doing business and selling reprints of older edition materials, my question is, have they almost completely stopped supporting 4th Edition on the web site? It's almost all "ads" for reprints or them shilling DnD Next.
 

delericho

Legend
God, I hope...

First up, the text you quoted is from me. Just wanted to note that - don't want some other guy getting the blame for my mistakes. :)

God, I hope this is not true as I really want WotC to do some reprints of some of the classic stuff, and I maintain perhaps futile hope of a return to the sale of PDFs.

Honestly, so do I. I would very much like a copy of the "Rules Cyclopedia" and, especially, that compilation of classic modules I mentioned.

Still, assuming that your speculation is correct, it seems like WotC was selling or allowing the sale of PDFs for a long time before they stopped it, around 10 years I believe, all of it well after the Dragon Magazine CD and the fallout. It would be odd that it took them so long to spot the potential danger.

That is the big flaw in my logic, and certainly gives major cause to doubt it. Still, stranger things have happened.

Finally, if this was the reason PDFs of classic products were pulled, it doesn't explain why current product PDFs were also pulled at the same time.

Safer to pull everything and cite "piracy concerns" than to pull only the old stuff and note "IP rights issues" - the latter would seem to be hanging out a "please sue us" sign. :)

If there are potential issues of rights ownership, wouldn't it most likely be with artwork, which could be left out of (or substititued) the reprints? (It could even be taken out of PDF versions).

I agree on all counts. Unfortunately, without the original contracts, WotC couldn't assume ownership of anything. I believe anything by Gygax and Arneson should be safe (since that always went with TSR), but beyond that it may get tricky. And it would appear that exact reprints (possibly with new cover art) are always safe. But this is definitely getting into stuff I don't know about.

Certainly, if they own the text but not the artwork, they should be able to do new versions with different artwork. The only problem there is cost - each time you have to make any change, that cost goes up.

Again, though - I agree with you, and hope my supposition is dead wrong.

But attached there is a poll asking you what your favourite books and rule elements are...

I could perfectly see some "best of" products coming...

I would very much like to see an "Encyclopedia Version" of 3.5e. Despite owning so many books, I'd almost certainly buy that. Or, at the very least, a compilation of all the monsters - they could perhaps call it the "Monstrous Compendium"? :)
 

delericho

Legend
And while I fully support them in doing business and selling reprints of older edition materials, my question is, have they almost completely stopped supporting 4th Edition on the web site? It's almost all "ads" for reprints or them shilling DnD Next.

Don't the e-mags still support 4e?

Beyond that, I don't think I'd expect much - there aren't many (any?) new books coming out, so there won't be any hype about those, the Character and Monster Builders are likely in, or close to, their final forms... what else is there?

If that's not enough, perhaps you should check out EN Publishing's new Adventure Paths? Or perhaps Fourth Party?
 

Don't the e-mags still support 4e?

Beyond that, I don't think I'd expect much - there aren't many (any?) new books coming out, so there won't be any hype about those, the Character and Monster Builders are likely in, or close to, their final forms... what else is there?

If that's not enough, perhaps you should check out EN Publishing's new Adventure Paths? Or perhaps Fourth Party?

No, not really. It's more a bunch of "ads" for 1st Ed reprints, some cartoons, schilling DnD Next, and now 3.x reprints, with the occasional 4E article put in.

I don't use the current character builder and monster whatever you want to call it (it sure isn't a builder!). I would still like to see some sort of support for the "unsupported" 4E classes (not fighter, cleric, rogue, etc) that they kept saying would be put out, but never really was.
 

delericho

Legend
Interesting survey. No options to request reprints of 3.0e material. Speaking for myself, if they did reprints of "Monster Manual 2" and the "Fiend Folio" with 100% 3.5e-compatible stats, then I would buy those, but I won't buy straight reprints. (IIRC, FF was only 'mostly 3.5e', while MM2 was definitely a 3.0e book.)

To be honest, though, I won't buy any straight 3.5e reprints - I already have everything I might want. Other than a new PHB, perhaps, as I've found having a spare for the table is useful.
 

ChainSawHobbit

First Post
Apparently I gave my 3.5E books to my brother (I say apparently because I had them, they disappeared, and were found at his apartment, but this was after 4E had come out, so no big deal), so I will pick a set of these up. I wonder if they are keeping the regular cover art of doing something similar to what they are doing with the 1E reprints.

To WotC:
shut-up-money.jpg

Why not just buy Pathfinder? Its better written, streamlined, better organized, and (likely) cheaper.
 

I'm A Banana

Potassium-Rich
I don't know how many I'd buy myself -- I already own a lot of 3e material.

But there are certainly books that need to be highlighted from that generation. The Draconomicon and Unearthed Arcana and the Tome of Magic come to mind first as awesome products. I tried to steer away from multi-volume product lines, even though I really like the Complete series and the Environmental series (and use a lot of them to this day!) and focused more on the really awesome products.

It's a little harder since 3e is comparatively much "fresher" than 1e. Still, since it's a game still being played in a slightly altered form, there's probably as much utility in it.

Wonder if they're gonna do some 2e reprints...maybe reprint each "setting line" for a brief period by itself. I'd shore up my collection with those, for sure!
 

El Mahdi

Muad'Dib of the Anauroch
D&D 3.5E Reprints coming in September...

Outstanding! Woo Hoo!:D

I'm really starting to like this new WotC. Thay ain't perfect, but they're certainly trying. Good Job!
 
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CasvalRemDeikun

Adventurer
Why not just buy Pathfinder?
First off, I want the 3.5E I played before I switched to 4E, not a rip off product.
Its better written
The rules language is essentially the same, I couldn't give a rip about the fluff they injected.
streamlined
Not incredibly.
better organized
That is debateble.
and (likely) cheaper.
And yet still not D&D.

And yet, bottom line, I want these to replace books I no longer have. I won't be playing 3.5E any time soon if ever again.
 

ShinHakkaider

Adventurer
First off, I want the 3.5E I played before I switched to 4E, not a rip off product.

The rules language is essentially the same, I couldn't give a rip about the fluff they injected.

Not incredibly.

That is debateble.

And yet still not D&D.

And yet, bottom line, I want these to replace books I no longer have. I won't be playing 3.5E any time soon if ever again.

Wow. "Rip off?" Someone has a real hate on for Pathfinder.

If Pathfinder isnt D&D because of the rules tweaks then by your definition neither is 4E or D&DNEXT for that matter. If branding is all that matters then ,well, you got me there.

I really love the fact that people like Char here apparently have short memories and have forgotten why Pathfinder exists on the first place. Then again I'm sure that the why is irrelevant to them and he'd love to do to Pathfinder what Char does to Kishisra Zabi at the end of MS Gundam movie III.
 
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ShinHakkaider

Adventurer
This whole thing isn't apparently for me as I still HAVE all of my WOTC 3.5 books. Oddly enough I was looking to put most of them up on Ebay last week to free up space for my Pathfinder books. Just havent gotten around to it yet.

When they get around to reprinting the Rules Cyclopedia then they may have my money. I'll be paying for the re-release of the Dungeon Boardgame later on this year.
 

soulcatcher78

First Post
Reprinting the core books is a no brainer as they still command full price on the secondary (i.e. ebay) market. Other titles are hit and miss but some that still get decent prices like Drow of the Underdark, Magic Item Compendium, etc are more likely reprints than Complete Warrior. Time will tell but at least they are offering something that the gaming community has been asking for (both 1E and 3.5E).

I'd have to add another vote for reprinting Planescape...lots of fond memories and the prices (especially the boxed sets after the initial one) show that there's a demand.
 

johnsemlak

First Post
I would think a 'complete compendium' single volume with the 'best of' the complete books might be an idea...

EDIT OK, probably way too much work. But I"d reckon it would sell.
 

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