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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lord Pendragon" data-source="post: 1017188" data-attributes="member: 707">There's a lot of good stuff here! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Heh.  Well, it's an interesting idea, and I've thought of going the longsword route rather than rapier, but a longsword can't be finessed and I don't want yet another stat to try and raise.  I've already got to worry about dex and cha, and str won't be great to start because I'd like a good int for the skill points. (Especially in 3.5, where only permananent, inherent bonuses increase skill points later.)With heavy armor, I have to deal with ASF, and a bard doesn't get enough spells to begin with, without losing more to ASF...Actually, fighter would probably fit better chronologically than bard, but since he's starting at 5th-level, I've decided to min-max his first five levels as much as possible (the bard has enough problems as it is.)  That means 1st-level bard (for more skill points) and 5th-level fighter, (so he can qualify for Spring Attack.)You're absolutely right, Shadeus.  In the last campaign I played in, one of the other players went with a Fighter/Ranger/Arcane Archer.  At 13th-level we called her the Gatling Gun.  She was insane.  So I agree with you that arrows are very powerful, especially for a bard that wants to stay out of combat.  My problem?  I want to play someone who sometimes goes into melee.  But sings songs.  I recognize the strength of archery, but as a player, I'm not exactly excited by it.I agree.  But this comes back to an earlier post of mine.  It may be that the bard produces all sorts of hp damage through bardic song.  But, to use a basketball analogy, it's all assists and very little personal scoring.  If you, as a player, are happy playing the Magic Johnson roll, and helping the team be better but doing little scoring yourself, that's great.  But to be honest, I don't think I'm that kind of person.  I want my guy to be able to contribute more directly, if possible.And yes, some people might say, "then don't play a bard!" but that's not the point.  I'm not looking to do all the scoring.  But, as a bard, want to do as much scoring as a can, while also helping others out. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />You know, I'm starting to lean this way.  That would increase his spellcasting and bardic song...and he's only 1 level away from Spring Attack.  I think even I can stand to use a bow for one level. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />Good point.  This will lower my bard's AC more, though. *sigh*  Maybe he'll pick up a Ring of Force Shield or something later on...Hence Spring Attack, ForceUser.  With Spring Attack, he can be in melee and out of melee before the baddie knows he was there! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

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