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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Agamon" data-source="post: 4706033" data-attributes="member: 184">I admit, my group in AOW were mostly competent players, with one "master" and one player that loved making sub-optimal PCs.  The sub-optimal PCs had a casualty rate about equal to the competents (but didn't help a whole lot in combat, often making things tougher for everyone).The system master, OTOH, went through 11 PCs in RttToEE and 9 PCs in AoW.  He was really good at maximizing his damage output...which made the nasties glare at him all the more.  That, combined with the fact that his tactical ability is on the low end of the spectrum, and most of those attacks that made the party cringe were directed at his PC.So far, he's fairing a lot better in 4e. (In fact, no PCs have died so far...I'm losing my killer DM rep...I need to run something by Paizo again <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />)</blockquote>