D&D 3.x [3.5] Noteworthy spell changes

[Destil]

Teleportation

Making teleportation spells conjuration is nice in rounding out schools (trans was horridly bloated), though healing spells sholuld be transmutation now, I think.

 

[Mort]

Teleport is only good for 100 miles

-The Souljourner

To clarify though:

That's 100 miles/caster level. So at minimum caster level that's 900 miles.

 

[ForceUser]

Re: Re: Re: Re: [3.5] Noteworthy spell changes

Only if you closed one eye and sort-of squinted at the page. Kinda like those magic eye pictures.

-Hyp.

Oh come on.

When a wish duplicates a spell that has an XP cost, you must pay 5,000 XP or that cost, whichever is more...

XP Cost: 5,000 XP or more (see above).

This could be interpreted to mean that you only paid XP when you duplicated a spell that cost XP. The wording is somewhat ambiguous, no doubt caused many discussions like the one my friends and I had, and that's why they changed it.

 

[Darkness]

ForceUser:

So... If you copy a spell costing 10 xp (or 1 xp, really), you have to pay 5,000 xp. But if you copy a spell costing 0 xp, you have to pay nothing?

This train of thought is kinda counter-intuitive, IMO.

 

[ForceUser]

ForceUser:

So... If you copy a spell costing 10 xp (or 1 xp, really), you have to pay 5,000 xp. But if you copy a spell costing 0 xp, you have to pay nothing?

This train of thought is kinda counter-intuitive, IMO.

I'm not suggesting that it's right or even that I agree with it. My point was it was unclear in 3.0 and now they've fixed it.

 

[Hypersmurf]

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This could be interpreted to mean that you only paid XP when you duplicated a spell that cost XP.

Contrast with Miracle.

Wish. Components: V, XP. XP Cost: 5000XP or more (see above).

Miracle. Components: V, S, XP (see text). XP Cost: 5000XP (for some uses of the spell; see above).

The XP in the component line for Miracle is conditional; for Wish it is not. Thus Wish always has an XP cost. That XP cost is 5000XP or more; there is no provision for it being 0.

Miracle has components V, S or V, S, XP - hence the "see text".

When the Wish description is taken in conjunction with Miracle, there is no ambiguity even in 3.0.

-Hyp.

 

[James McMurray]

Also, the phrase 5,000xp or more means exactly that. You pay 5,000xp, or more than 5000xp. Attempting to read into it the ability to not pay any XP is just plain silly.

 

[ForceUser]

When the Wish description is taken in conjunction with Miracle, there is no ambiguity even in 3.0.

The designers probably realized (and rightly so) that you shouldn't have to read miracle to understand wish. I am glad they cleared it up.

 

[Hypersmurf]

The designers probably realized (and rightly so) that you shouldn't have to read miracle to understand wish. I am glad they cleared it up.

Oh, I'm not saying that tidying up the language is a bad thing.

Just that it wasn't open to intepretation in 3E. It was unambiguous before - it's more obviously unambiguous now

-Hyp.

 

[Azure Trance]

Companions' status?

I'm more unhappy that we can't use it as an ambush detector any more...

"Thirty creatures 'fighting off death', 8 meters... 7... 6..."

"That can't be - that's inside the room!"

"It's reading right, man, look!"

"Then you're not reading it right!"

-Hyp.

Heh. That took me a few seconds to remember where I heard that before.