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<blockquote data-quote="Mustrum_Ridcully" data-source="post: 987082" data-attributes="member: 710"><p>Well, but see this:</p><p>If a Fighter is not profiecient in a weapon, he suffers a -4 penalty when using it. He still adds his full BAB and his full Strength/Dex Bonus to his roll.</p><p>If a Bard did not learn an appropriate Perform skill, he can only add his charisma bonus, if at all (I don`t know the current rule about it). That`s everything.</p><p></p><p>A Fighter uses a feat to gain profiency, that offsets the -4 penalty. He adds his full BAB, and full Dex or Strength Bonus to attack. If he is a 15th level fighter, this means he has a +15 base attack bonus.</p><p>He could have used another feat, he could have taken Skill Focus to gain a +3 bonus to a single skill. Let us assume that this bonus is roughly equivalent between 2 ranks (since it doesn`t allow you to use untrained only skills) or 4 ranks (since he could have taken Alertness or Stealthy to gain 2 +2 bonus)</p><p>The Bard adds 4 ranks to the skill. If he is a 15th level Bard, this means he has now a +4 +charisma bonus for his perform check.</p><p></p><p>There is an obvious difference, I think. </p><p>Maybe the 1 rank equals 1 instrument rule wasn`t that great, but Iam not sure that 1 skill for every instrument type is that great, either.</p><p></p><p>Maybe it would have been better if they just explained "Perform means your ability to perform using various instruments and methods to entertain others. You may assume that you know one instrument or one method for every rank).</p><p></p><p>A compensation with the current rules might be, that if you just want to "impress" a certain audience using variours performance styles, you use your highest Perform (XX) and adds a +2 synergy bonus for every Perform (YZ) you have at least 5 ranks in. </p><p></p><p>Mustrum Ridcully</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mustrum_Ridcully, post: 987082, member: 710"] Well, but see this: If a Fighter is not profiecient in a weapon, he suffers a -4 penalty when using it. He still adds his full BAB and his full Strength/Dex Bonus to his roll. If a Bard did not learn an appropriate Perform skill, he can only add his charisma bonus, if at all (I don`t know the current rule about it). That`s everything. A Fighter uses a feat to gain profiency, that offsets the -4 penalty. He adds his full BAB, and full Dex or Strength Bonus to attack. If he is a 15th level fighter, this means he has a +15 base attack bonus. He could have used another feat, he could have taken Skill Focus to gain a +3 bonus to a single skill. Let us assume that this bonus is roughly equivalent between 2 ranks (since it doesn`t allow you to use untrained only skills) or 4 ranks (since he could have taken Alertness or Stealthy to gain 2 +2 bonus) The Bard adds 4 ranks to the skill. If he is a 15th level Bard, this means he has now a +4 +charisma bonus for his perform check. There is an obvious difference, I think. Maybe the 1 rank equals 1 instrument rule wasn`t that great, but Iam not sure that 1 skill for every instrument type is that great, either. Maybe it would have been better if they just explained "Perform means your ability to perform using various instruments and methods to entertain others. You may assume that you know one instrument or one method for every rank). A compensation with the current rules might be, that if you just want to "impress" a certain audience using variours performance styles, you use your highest Perform (XX) and adds a +2 synergy bonus for every Perform (YZ) you have at least 5 ranks in. Mustrum Ridcully [/QUOTE]
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