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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Technik4" data-source="post: 987461" data-attributes="member: 7211">Compare a fighter who can use perhaps 24-odd weapons well. He can use them well in that his BAB applies to all of them. There are some that he can use better than others, for instance, if he has maxed out WF, WS, GWF, GWS, Imp Crit with 1 weapon, he will be far more effective with it than the other 23 weapons he chose. Note, his ability to use the other 23 weapons is not diminished, he can still use them and perform rather well, he is after all 20th level.A 20th level bard may only have 1 instrument/aristic talent/what-have-you with the max, 24 ranks. However lets not be confused, there is no "non-weapon proficiencies" in 3rd edition. He could pick up a non-perform-maxed instrument and play well (as he would add his inherent Cha modifier to his playing). Perhaps he should have some synergistic bonus to playing other things well, after all it is 2 very different things, swinging a sword and singing a song. There is no reason a bard wouldn't have invested some skill points in other Perform categories though, dancing would certainly come in handy in a formal social setting, and drum-playing may work its way in against orcs or goblins who use drums as weapons of war. I argue the abstraction is different. Perhaps because of the nature of the mechanics, perhaps because of the nature of the 2 things, but in d&d when you compare BAB and perform you compare apples and oranges.I think it silly to have a 20th level bard who has 24 different performance styles all maxed out. Much more ridiculous than the 20th level fighter detailed above. He has room for some generic feats that apply to all weapons, and room for completing (or half-completing) his chain of improving perhaps 1 more weapon, thats it. Bards get specific perform bonuses much easier than fighters get bonuses with specific weapons in 3.5A 20th level 3.5 bard could spend 48 skill points and have 1 maxed perform skill, 1 with 10 ranks, and 2 with 5 ranks. The 3.5 bard would still have 4 skill points per level unallocated. A 3.0 bard could spend 24 skill points and have 24 maxed perform skills, but would only have 3 skill points per level unallocated. I know which one seems like it makes more sense to me.Technik</blockquote>

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