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<blockquote data-quote="LightPhoenix" data-source="post: 987673" data-attributes="member: 115"><p>Well, being an amateur musician with about ten-ish years training on one instrument, I can tell you that I can at least understand the basic concepts of playing any of the instruments above. I understand pitch and rhythm, know a bit about how each one works. Does that equate to a Perform rank of 20 with each of those? Hell no. Most of these would probably be Cha mod (there's stage presence right there), synergy, and a couple ranks representing limited study. Knowing how to play a flute or horn is VASTLY different from playing a guitar or a drum set - try it some time. Besides the musical theory, there's almost no overlap. </p><p></p><p>A dedicated bard, like everyone seems to be talking about, is literally studying nothing but how to perform - every single skill rank is going towards those skills. They're not learning how to climb a rock face or brew a poison or sneak around - no time for that. If you want a performing bard, this is the price you pay. Most professional performers today can't play more than a few instruments anyway. Put Yo-Yo Ma on a euphonium and I'd be a better player than he would more than likely (and that's saying a lot). On a violin though, he'd be much better than I am, even though he is a dedicated cellist. There are certainly violin players better than he would be. So personally I think that for realism, these categories are STILL too broad, but for metagaming these work much better.</p><p></p><p>The only think I would change would be splitting wind instruments in woodwind and brass, since they are fairly different mechanically - double-reed instruments are a pain for me to play, for example. Give me a trumpet, french horn, trombone, euphonium, or tuba, and I can wail though. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Under this system I should be able to play both equally well. Though it could go either way, it didn't take me long to get the hang of flute or clarinet.</p><p></p><p>Yeah, I rambled.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="LightPhoenix, post: 987673, member: 115"] Well, being an amateur musician with about ten-ish years training on one instrument, I can tell you that I can at least understand the basic concepts of playing any of the instruments above. I understand pitch and rhythm, know a bit about how each one works. Does that equate to a Perform rank of 20 with each of those? Hell no. Most of these would probably be Cha mod (there's stage presence right there), synergy, and a couple ranks representing limited study. Knowing how to play a flute or horn is VASTLY different from playing a guitar or a drum set - try it some time. Besides the musical theory, there's almost no overlap. A dedicated bard, like everyone seems to be talking about, is literally studying nothing but how to perform - every single skill rank is going towards those skills. They're not learning how to climb a rock face or brew a poison or sneak around - no time for that. If you want a performing bard, this is the price you pay. Most professional performers today can't play more than a few instruments anyway. Put Yo-Yo Ma on a euphonium and I'd be a better player than he would more than likely (and that's saying a lot). On a violin though, he'd be much better than I am, even though he is a dedicated cellist. There are certainly violin players better than he would be. So personally I think that for realism, these categories are STILL too broad, but for metagaming these work much better. The only think I would change would be splitting wind instruments in woodwind and brass, since they are fairly different mechanically - double-reed instruments are a pain for me to play, for example. Give me a trumpet, french horn, trombone, euphonium, or tuba, and I can wail though. :) Under this system I should be able to play both equally well. Though it could go either way, it didn't take me long to get the hang of flute or clarinet. Yeah, I rambled. [/QUOTE]
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