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<blockquote data-quote="Felix" data-source="post: 987986" data-attributes="member: 3929"><p>Technik4:</p><p> </p><p>So you impliment a flavor change with the result of making the Bard class mechanically weaker (by reducing the number of skill points available if a bard wanted to do 2 things well)? If the heavy "role" playing groups were so role-play heavy, why worry if they have two skills instead of one? Why worry about the numbers? Just role play it; that's what they were going to do anyway...</p><p></p><p>LightPhoenix</p><p> </p><p>And there are those who can. Kid Rock can play a whole bunch of instruments very well; he also can ride a motorcycle, fix a car, and do a lot of other "skill based" things. The members of Phish each play oodles of instruments well, and I bet they have Craft (Alchemy) as well. So you don't have to spend all your time studying instruments. At least, these exceptional performers don't. And any PC bard is supposed to be exceptional, right?</p><p></p><p>Also, as an amateur actor, I can't understand how they could seperate "Act", "Comedy", "Oratory", and "Sing". So what is an actor in Shakespeare's 12th Night? He's not acting, but doing comedy? Orators prepare their scripts (like actors) and try to make the audience feel what they feel. Actors try to transmit the feelings of the character to the audience. Singers do the same thing: and vocal classes for singers and actors are remarkably similar! They both have to exhale using their diaphram, speak from "the bottom of their stomach", and not strain their throat. Facial expressions are important in all 4 of these things. They're the same bloody thing! They're all acting! </p><p></p><p>"But singing is something totally different!" you might say.</p><p></p><p>And how many singers have not had perfect voices, and yet became stars? Listen to the radio. Country music singers don't have melodic voices, and yet they're popular. Heavy metal: voice lessons not required. George Throughgood never warmed up his voice before a performance; it was all his stage presence.</p><p></p><p>Bah!</p><p></p><p>.</p><p>.</p><p>.</p><p>.</p><p>.</p><p></p><p>Tell you what. Why don't we agree to disagree. We'll all walk away thinking the other a tosser, and play our game the way we damn well please. Not like rules ever stopped us before. It just feels like there are no more insights to be made; there are reasons on both sides. We have already read all of them, and already noted how stupid those reasons are. Sarcasm has laced a few posts already, and once that happens nothing good will come of it.</p><p></p><p>So, goodnight gentlemen. Adieu, adieu, adieu.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Felix, post: 987986, member: 3929"] Technik4: So you impliment a flavor change with the result of making the Bard class mechanically weaker (by reducing the number of skill points available if a bard wanted to do 2 things well)? If the heavy "role" playing groups were so role-play heavy, why worry if they have two skills instead of one? Why worry about the numbers? Just role play it; that's what they were going to do anyway... LightPhoenix And there are those who can. Kid Rock can play a whole bunch of instruments very well; he also can ride a motorcycle, fix a car, and do a lot of other "skill based" things. The members of Phish each play oodles of instruments well, and I bet they have Craft (Alchemy) as well. So you don't have to spend all your time studying instruments. At least, these exceptional performers don't. And any PC bard is supposed to be exceptional, right? Also, as an amateur actor, I can't understand how they could seperate "Act", "Comedy", "Oratory", and "Sing". So what is an actor in Shakespeare's 12th Night? He's not acting, but doing comedy? Orators prepare their scripts (like actors) and try to make the audience feel what they feel. Actors try to transmit the feelings of the character to the audience. Singers do the same thing: and vocal classes for singers and actors are remarkably similar! They both have to exhale using their diaphram, speak from "the bottom of their stomach", and not strain their throat. Facial expressions are important in all 4 of these things. They're the same bloody thing! They're all acting! "But singing is something totally different!" you might say. And how many singers have not had perfect voices, and yet became stars? Listen to the radio. Country music singers don't have melodic voices, and yet they're popular. Heavy metal: voice lessons not required. George Throughgood never warmed up his voice before a performance; it was all his stage presence. Bah! . . . . . Tell you what. Why don't we agree to disagree. We'll all walk away thinking the other a tosser, and play our game the way we damn well please. Not like rules ever stopped us before. It just feels like there are no more insights to be made; there are reasons on both sides. We have already read all of them, and already noted how stupid those reasons are. Sarcasm has laced a few posts already, and once that happens nothing good will come of it. So, goodnight gentlemen. Adieu, adieu, adieu. [/QUOTE]
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