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<blockquote data-quote="drnuncheon" data-source="post: 988037" data-attributes="member: 96"><p>Those are obviously people who spend all of their skill ranks on the various divisions of Appraise, just as the widely-skilled jongeleurs have spent all of their skill ranks on the various divisions of Perform. The guys on Antiques Roadshow aren't spending time learning how to climb walls or defuse traps or ride horses.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So, a card shark should be able to pick up a sword and be able to bluff a master fencer, even though he doesn't know what he's doing with the blade? Riiiight. Just like James Galway can really jam out on a marima.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Performance is basically the ability to read the audience, know what they will find entertaining, and provide it. One can be a technical master at an instument and get every note perfect, but a computer can do that - delivering a compelling <em>performance</em> is something else entirely. If you have many ranks in Perform, you would know how to deliver a compelling performance in many different ways. You would change your tactics based on your audience, but the strategy employed would be the same.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Most bards have to give up enough to do standard performances anyway - one skill to do one thing is what everyone else pays. I would say that as a younger bard you learn the basics of many different types of performance, and as you get older you learn to integrate them effectively into your own style (and bardic music).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure. That's why we have cardiac surgeons and immunologists, right? It's all the same skill, they could swap around with no problem. </p><p></p><p>Yeah, <em>that's</em> realistic.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Which is 10 more divisions than any of the other skills I cited are split into - even though each is arguably just as broad as the original 'Perform'.</p><p></p><p><em>That</em> was my point. You're absolutely right, the argument for splitting up any of those other skills was extremely weak.</p><p></p><p>So is the argument for splitting up Perform.</p><p></p><p>J</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="drnuncheon, post: 988037, member: 96"] Those are obviously people who spend all of their skill ranks on the various divisions of Appraise, just as the widely-skilled jongeleurs have spent all of their skill ranks on the various divisions of Perform. The guys on Antiques Roadshow aren't spending time learning how to climb walls or defuse traps or ride horses. So, a card shark should be able to pick up a sword and be able to bluff a master fencer, even though he doesn't know what he's doing with the blade? Riiiight. Just like James Galway can really jam out on a marima. Performance is basically the ability to read the audience, know what they will find entertaining, and provide it. One can be a technical master at an instument and get every note perfect, but a computer can do that - delivering a compelling [i]performance[/i] is something else entirely. If you have many ranks in Perform, you would know how to deliver a compelling performance in many different ways. You would change your tactics based on your audience, but the strategy employed would be the same. Most bards have to give up enough to do standard performances anyway - one skill to do one thing is what everyone else pays. I would say that as a younger bard you learn the basics of many different types of performance, and as you get older you learn to integrate them effectively into your own style (and bardic music). Sure. That's why we have cardiac surgeons and immunologists, right? It's all the same skill, they could swap around with no problem. Yeah, [i]that's[/i] realistic. Which is 10 more divisions than any of the other skills I cited are split into - even though each is arguably just as broad as the original 'Perform'. [i]That[/i] was my point. You're absolutely right, the argument for splitting up any of those other skills was extremely weak. So is the argument for splitting up Perform. J [/QUOTE]
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