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<blockquote data-quote="Al" data-source="post: 989736" data-attributes="member: 2486"><p>Hmm...well, the Ride skill gives me an idea. Why non divide Perform into the separate subskills, but give a relationship between them. So, subskills which are Related operate at a -2 ranks to each other. Subskills which are Partially Related operate at a -5 to each other. Subskills which are Unrelated use 0 ranks. For example, Acting and Comedy could be Related. An all-round actor has enough of a comic repertoire to do most comedy fairly well. A 7th level bard with 10 ranks in acting has effectively 8 ranks in Comedy. Acting and Oratory are Partially Related. He doesn't have the clever rhetorical tricks that a fully trained orator would have, but he can project his voice effectively and clearly, make the hand movements necessary to carry a particular emotion and change his tone of voice to emphasise a particular point. Acting and String Instruments are Unrelated- sure, he has his stage presence (charisma) but doesn't know how to play a violin better than Joe Commoner.</p><p></p><p>Now, here's a brief run-down of how I would eyeball the approximations:</p><p>Act- Related to Comedy, Partially Related to Oratory, Unrelated to all others.</p><p>Comedy- Related to Act, Partially Related to Oratory, Unrelated to all others</p><p>Dance- Partially Related to Sing (since many singers dance and vice versa), Unrelated to all others</p><p>Keyboard instruments- Partially Related to Percussion, String and Wind Instruments (basic understanding of music theory etc.)</p><p>Oratory- Partially Related to Act and Comedy, Unrelated to all others</p><p>Percussion Instruments- Partially Related to Keyboard, String and Wind, Unrelated to all others</p><p>String Instruments- Partially Related to Keyboard, Percussion and Wind, Unrelated to all others</p><p>Wind Instruments- Partially Related to Keyboard, Percussion and String, Sing (due to diaphragm control etc.), Unrelated to all others</p><p>Sing- Partially Related to Dance, Wind, Unrelated to all others</p><p></p><p>Now, some of these may be criticised individually, but what about the system overall? Comments? Criticisms?</p><p></p><p>As an additional, well, addition, you could use 'virtual ranks' that are increased by skill points (a la GURPS default skills). So a bard with 10 ranks in Act would have 8 virtual ranks in Comedy. If he spends 1 point in Comedy, he has 9 total ranks (8 virtual + 1 point). If he spends another five points, he has a total of 14, and his Act skill increases (he gains two virtual ranks). It's potentially a lot of bookkeeping though, so this could be scrapped.</p><p></p><p>What do you think?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Al, post: 989736, member: 2486"] Hmm...well, the Ride skill gives me an idea. Why non divide Perform into the separate subskills, but give a relationship between them. So, subskills which are Related operate at a -2 ranks to each other. Subskills which are Partially Related operate at a -5 to each other. Subskills which are Unrelated use 0 ranks. For example, Acting and Comedy could be Related. An all-round actor has enough of a comic repertoire to do most comedy fairly well. A 7th level bard with 10 ranks in acting has effectively 8 ranks in Comedy. Acting and Oratory are Partially Related. He doesn't have the clever rhetorical tricks that a fully trained orator would have, but he can project his voice effectively and clearly, make the hand movements necessary to carry a particular emotion and change his tone of voice to emphasise a particular point. Acting and String Instruments are Unrelated- sure, he has his stage presence (charisma) but doesn't know how to play a violin better than Joe Commoner. Now, here's a brief run-down of how I would eyeball the approximations: Act- Related to Comedy, Partially Related to Oratory, Unrelated to all others. Comedy- Related to Act, Partially Related to Oratory, Unrelated to all others Dance- Partially Related to Sing (since many singers dance and vice versa), Unrelated to all others Keyboard instruments- Partially Related to Percussion, String and Wind Instruments (basic understanding of music theory etc.) Oratory- Partially Related to Act and Comedy, Unrelated to all others Percussion Instruments- Partially Related to Keyboard, String and Wind, Unrelated to all others String Instruments- Partially Related to Keyboard, Percussion and Wind, Unrelated to all others Wind Instruments- Partially Related to Keyboard, Percussion and String, Sing (due to diaphragm control etc.), Unrelated to all others Sing- Partially Related to Dance, Wind, Unrelated to all others Now, some of these may be criticised individually, but what about the system overall? Comments? Criticisms? As an additional, well, addition, you could use 'virtual ranks' that are increased by skill points (a la GURPS default skills). So a bard with 10 ranks in Act would have 8 virtual ranks in Comedy. If he spends 1 point in Comedy, he has 9 total ranks (8 virtual + 1 point). If he spends another five points, he has a total of 14, and his Act skill increases (he gains two virtual ranks). It's potentially a lot of bookkeeping though, so this could be scrapped. What do you think? [/QUOTE]
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