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<blockquote data-quote="Empirate" data-source="post: 6022338" data-attributes="member: 78958"><p>I think your last point is what's important here. With a grapple check, you're using a combat technique to force the other guy to let you go: you attempt to stab him in the eyes, you twist his wrist to apply pain, you stretch so he can't hold you the way he did before, you slowly open his fingers one by one... whatever. Armor neither helps nor hinders you here, because it will protect some portions of your body in a grapple (knee buckles making it hard to twist your leg or something) - but it also provides some good handholds.</p><p></p><p>Escape Artist is more the trained talent of "how to move the body in really unconventional ways in order to wriggle out of restraints". It WILL be hampered by armor, since escape artists must usually try to wriggle out of everything that limits their movement at the same time. If you've ever seen a professional perform, you know they sometimes get strapped into several layers of bonds (like <em>two </em>straitjackets <em>and </em>some chains on top of that). When they've wriggled about a while, you suddenly see their bare midriff showing somewhere, and suddenly a whole naked arm is free somehow... Apply this image to armor, and the armor just becomes one more thing to wriggle out of. Hence the ACP, as it's harder to get rid of rigid platemail than of smooth leather armor.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Empirate, post: 6022338, member: 78958"] I think your last point is what's important here. With a grapple check, you're using a combat technique to force the other guy to let you go: you attempt to stab him in the eyes, you twist his wrist to apply pain, you stretch so he can't hold you the way he did before, you slowly open his fingers one by one... whatever. Armor neither helps nor hinders you here, because it will protect some portions of your body in a grapple (knee buckles making it hard to twist your leg or something) - but it also provides some good handholds. Escape Artist is more the trained talent of "how to move the body in really unconventional ways in order to wriggle out of restraints". It WILL be hampered by armor, since escape artists must usually try to wriggle out of everything that limits their movement at the same time. If you've ever seen a professional perform, you know they sometimes get strapped into several layers of bonds (like [I]two [/I]straitjackets [I]and [/I]some chains on top of that). When they've wriggled about a while, you suddenly see their bare midriff showing somewhere, and suddenly a whole naked arm is free somehow... Apply this image to armor, and the armor just becomes one more thing to wriggle out of. Hence the ACP, as it's harder to get rid of rigid platemail than of smooth leather armor. [/QUOTE]
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