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[3.5] Quicken spell and Sorcerers
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<blockquote data-quote="nikolai" data-source="post: 1085818" data-attributes="member: 10130"><p><strong>My thoughts...</strong></p><p></p><p><strong>Why sorcerers shouldn't be able to <em>quicken</em></strong></p><p></p><p>The big mechanical difference between wizards and sorcerers with <em>quicken</em> (as a free action) is that - if wizards want to use it - they have to prepare the spell in advance and take a slot out of commission. If it turns out that the wizards doesn't desparately need to knock out two spells in a round, or <em>quickened</em> the wrong spell, he's done himself out of the availability of a higher level spell.</p><p></p><p>With a sorcerer, any time he needs a second spell to save his hide (invisibility or obscuring mist) or to take out an opponent that needs finishing off quickly (blindness or fireball) he can do it just like that. There's no trade off. Once he has the feat anytime he really needs to crank out the spells he can do so at will (and has no problem making sure it's the right spell). </p><p></p><p><strong>Solutions</strong></p><p></p><p>The way this has been gotten around - so far - is with <em>arcane preparation</em> feat taking a slot out of commission in return for the free action. The bad thing is that this just doesn't go well with the spontaneous casting gig. It's also a bit clunky (both as an add on and the 2 feat cost) - wouldn't it be better, and not that unbalancing for the sorcerer class to have a "can prepare spells in return for standard/free action metamagic" in their class description?</p><p></p><p>I think spontaneous casters should have the ability to cast two spells a round, otherwise they're second rate in spell duels. The trick is coming up with a decent mechanic for it. Perhaps there could be a feat which allows then to elect a spell to keep in the fore of their mind (as a full round action), the spell can then be cast as a free action. Another full round action is then needed to prep another spell for the same treatment. The feat can be taken repeatedly for more than one spell preped for a <em>quicken</em> at a time. But I'm not sure this would limit the advantage enough.</p><p></p><p>nikolai.</p><p></p><p>P.S. Oh - <em>quickened</em> spells don't draw AoOs. So the feat isn't <strong>totally</strong> useless for sorcerers. If they want to cast while threatened without being AoOed an spontaneous <em>quickened</em> spell as a full-round action would do the trick.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="nikolai, post: 1085818, member: 10130"] [b]My thoughts...[/b] [b]Why sorcerers shouldn't be able to [i]quicken[/i][/b] The big mechanical difference between wizards and sorcerers with [i]quicken[/i] (as a free action) is that - if wizards want to use it - they have to prepare the spell in advance and take a slot out of commission. If it turns out that the wizards doesn't desparately need to knock out two spells in a round, or [i]quickened[/i] the wrong spell, he's done himself out of the availability of a higher level spell. With a sorcerer, any time he needs a second spell to save his hide (invisibility or obscuring mist) or to take out an opponent that needs finishing off quickly (blindness or fireball) he can do it just like that. There's no trade off. Once he has the feat anytime he really needs to crank out the spells he can do so at will (and has no problem making sure it's the right spell). [b]Solutions[/b] The way this has been gotten around - so far - is with [i]arcane preparation[/i] feat taking a slot out of commission in return for the free action. The bad thing is that this just doesn't go well with the spontaneous casting gig. It's also a bit clunky (both as an add on and the 2 feat cost) - wouldn't it be better, and not that unbalancing for the sorcerer class to have a "can prepare spells in return for standard/free action metamagic" in their class description? I think spontaneous casters should have the ability to cast two spells a round, otherwise they're second rate in spell duels. The trick is coming up with a decent mechanic for it. Perhaps there could be a feat which allows then to elect a spell to keep in the fore of their mind (as a full round action), the spell can then be cast as a free action. Another full round action is then needed to prep another spell for the same treatment. The feat can be taken repeatedly for more than one spell preped for a [i]quicken[/i] at a time. But I'm not sure this would limit the advantage enough. nikolai. P.S. Oh - [i]quickened[/i] spells don't draw AoOs. So the feat isn't [b]totally[/b] useless for sorcerers. If they want to cast while threatened without being AoOed an spontaneous [i]quickened[/i] spell as a full-round action would do the trick. [/QUOTE]
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