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[3.5] Standing up from prone draws AoOs?
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<blockquote data-quote="Pielorinho" data-source="post: 1025107" data-attributes="member: 259"><p>Not automatic -- but I can easily design (and have posted <a href="http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=57751" target="_blank">in this thread</a> a trip-monkey (literally) that, at tenth level, will hit 95% of touch attacks less than </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>However, someone dedicated to tripping can at tenth level get their bonus up to +22 on this check, via size increases, feats, and strength buffs. (You can actually get it much higher -- this is with a modicum of spell and magic resources). And remember that your <strong>opponent</strong> also doesn't get weapon focus, weapon spec, +5 magical buzzsaw bonuses either. Your average tenth-level character who isn't optimized for tripping has very little chance of winning this opposed skill check: normally, a +5 is a pretty high bonus to get on the check.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>True, but a remote risk. When you usually have a +17 or greater advantage (i.e., your +22 to an opponent's +5) on an opposed skill check, the chance of your losing two opposed checks in a row is negligible.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Any trip-monkey is going to have the improved trip feat, meaning that when they succeed on a trip attempt, they get a free attack at +4, meaning there's no opportunity cost at all. Furthermore, <em>all their remaining attacks against that opponent are at +4</em>. That's a net opportunity gain. Consider also that a trip-monkey with power attack can choose to power-attack for 4 points with their two-handed weapon: they're still almost certain to hit with their touch attack, their opposed strength roll is unaffected, and all their remaining attacks (including the free one for a successful trip) are against the opponent's normal AC, (+4 for being prone, -4 for power attacking) but do +6 damage. Not an opportunity cost at all.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Build a trip-monkey and try it out. It was nasty in 3.0, and it's even nastier in 3.5. Sure, the technique isn't fantastic for a normal character -- but it's relatively simple to build a character who's extremely good at it without giving up too much else. And that's the problem.</p><p></p><p>Daniel</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Pielorinho, post: 1025107, member: 259"] Not automatic -- but I can easily design (and have posted [url=http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=57751]in this thread[/url] a trip-monkey (literally) that, at tenth level, will hit 95% of touch attacks less than However, someone dedicated to tripping can at tenth level get their bonus up to +22 on this check, via size increases, feats, and strength buffs. (You can actually get it much higher -- this is with a modicum of spell and magic resources). And remember that your [b]opponent[/b] also doesn't get weapon focus, weapon spec, +5 magical buzzsaw bonuses either. Your average tenth-level character who isn't optimized for tripping has very little chance of winning this opposed skill check: normally, a +5 is a pretty high bonus to get on the check. True, but a remote risk. When you usually have a +17 or greater advantage (i.e., your +22 to an opponent's +5) on an opposed skill check, the chance of your losing two opposed checks in a row is negligible. Any trip-monkey is going to have the improved trip feat, meaning that when they succeed on a trip attempt, they get a free attack at +4, meaning there's no opportunity cost at all. Furthermore, [i]all their remaining attacks against that opponent are at +4[/i]. That's a net opportunity gain. Consider also that a trip-monkey with power attack can choose to power-attack for 4 points with their two-handed weapon: they're still almost certain to hit with their touch attack, their opposed strength roll is unaffected, and all their remaining attacks (including the free one for a successful trip) are against the opponent's normal AC, (+4 for being prone, -4 for power attacking) but do +6 damage. Not an opportunity cost at all. Build a trip-monkey and try it out. It was nasty in 3.0, and it's even nastier in 3.5. Sure, the technique isn't fantastic for a normal character -- but it's relatively simple to build a character who's extremely good at it without giving up too much else. And that's the problem. Daniel [/QUOTE]
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