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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lord Pendragon" data-source="post: 1018488" data-attributes="member: 707">[PLAIN]Re: Re: Re: [3.5] Stun and Hold[/PLAIN]Yes, but while you're stunned, what difference does it make whether or not you're held?  Instead of casting Hold Person and then Color Spray to try and keep them in the held state, why not just cast Color Spray in the first place?  Then they're stunned, which is the best negative condition in the game.  Where is the advantage to the tactic of casting the two spells together?Likewise, if you cast Hold Person and then Color Spray, the spray does not effect the saves to Hold Person after it (the spray) has expired.  So why not wait to cast Color Spray after the Hold expires, to extend the duration of the two spells as much as possible?  Ready an action to cast Color Spray as soon as the target moves, for instance.I still feel like I'm looking at one of those 3D pictures, just staring at a bunch of flowers while all the people around me see a water bucket. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused    :confused:"  data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /></blockquote>