D&D 3E/3.5 3.5 Warlock Feats...precise shot etc

[rgard]

Here's some more Warlock stuff we compiled awhile back:

http://www.enworld.org/forum/genera...izards-coast-warlock-invocations-sources.html

 

[Knak12]

ok, so i think ive made my decision with the feats i have to choose. And to explain my choice im going to construct a chart of average dmg using this ability at certain levels.

the chart will have certain key levels in which i get more D6s for EB and the levels i get a new feat to choose. Im going to compare Quicken SLA (Qu another attack same D6), maximize SLA (Max d6=6 dmg), empower SLA (Emp d6x1.5), and Greater Psionic Shot (GPS, gives you +4d6)

remember, GPS is only 85% of the time at lvl 9 (i say 85% because i have to make a concentration dc check of 20, after ranks and mod i have a 16 in it, so a roll of 4 or higher hits). But when i get to lvl 10, im putting another skill point in it, and at 11...it doesnt matter after that because a 1 will always miss, even if you have +50 to the check.

average damage of a d6 is 3.5

average damage chart (rounded to whole):


levels======> 9___11__12___14__15___17___18
D6s at lvl===> 5____6___6____7___7____8____8

avg dmg
from Feats:

none======> 18___21__21___25__25___28___28

Emp=======> 26___32__32___37__37___42___42

Max=======> 30___36__36___42__42___48___48

GPS=======> 32___35__35___39__39___42___42
% chance==> 85%_95%_95%_95%_95%_95%_95%
to use it

Qu=======> 35____42__42___49__49___56___56


Ok, what this tells us is:

Empower Spell isnt as good as Psionic Shot until level 18 when it finally catches up (by that time ill have all the feats already).

Maximize spell isnt as good as GSP, at lvl 9 and 10, BUT when level 11 hits, its catches up to GPS, but BARELY does any more damage than GPS. Downside = only 3 times a day

Now, Quicken Spell like ability is best for damage, clearly. It starts a little better and ends WAY better. It straight up does double damage (on average of course). Downside = you have to make ANOTHER attack to do the extra damage, you could miss. PLUS side = if you happen to kill something on your first attack, then you have another attack to hit something else, so no wasted damage...the other downside is this, once again, only 3 times a day...if there was only a way you could stack it...get quicken for EB everytime u get a feat.

So, i still think that Greater Psionic focus is more stable and reliable than the others. 85% of the time ill do that extra 4d6. Remember, those numbers were just average (except for maximize, thats garunteed).


but i forget to mention...at lvl 12 i get to pick another feat, and at 15 and at 18...so...let me continue the chart with the different combination of feats, becaus I DO want those Meta feats, they are still good.

im not going to include lvls 10-11 becuase i dont get a new feat yet. also, by the time i get to 18m im going to have all of them so 'yay' for that.

at lvl 15 im going to include the last of the comboes, which i should have THREE feats by then...


Avg damage with feats comboed with the feat GPS (keep in mind that all of those are already mixed with Greater Psionic Shot):

levels======> 12_14_15__17_18
D6s at lvl===> 10_11_11__12_12 (its more than before becase of GPS's +4d6)
avg dmg:
Emp=======> 53_58_--__--_--

Max=======> 60_66_--__--_--

Qu========> 56_63_--__--_--

emp/
qu========> --_--_82__91_--

max/
qu========> --_--_91__98_--

emp/
max=======> --_--_99_108_--

all 4 feats
combined===> --_--_--__--_136

the comboes that included maximize or empower with the quicken, assume that you used it on the attack that had more d6s (when using quicken, i assumed that you cannot quicken GPS, so you only get the original amount of d6 in the quicken, and NOT the +4d6s)

ok so this tells me that at 12 i would want to go MAXIMIZE rather than the other two. if not then empower. Quicken is dampened because i dont get to add its effects to the extra 4d6 that GPS gives me. The other 2 on the hand DO in fact make it better. So even though Quicken was best to have alone, when combinding it, its not as good.

Ok, after deciding to pick GPS at lvl 9...the path I should choose is first go maximize, then pick empower.


to conclude this whole thing, i am trying to make a lvl 9 warlock, and play him for the future. Was wondering the feats to get. I chose the Greater Psionic Shot path instead of the higher dmg bonus of Quicken SLA because of TWO main reasons: One, GPS mixes better later with the others, and Two, I can do it more than 3 times a day (my group as long fights)...


any thoughts in this? am i making the right decision here? did i overlook something?

 

[Eman Resu]

dont forget to include a roll to hit, your also going to miss ?% of the time. The damage you show is a max or an avg? Either way its for 3 attacks a day right? The rest of the day is the Warlocks true strength in unlimited ammo all touch shot. They can only attack 1x/rd but they can do it all day. So If you find yourselves in a situation where causing mediocre / light damage over a long period of time in beneficial you will shine. Untill then your putting alot of your feats, all of them, into this?

Getting more of your evocations I thought would be of benefit to you and the party.

evards black tnts. is a terrific spell you can cast over and over
fell flight, very good, many advantageous to fly at will.
Inviso at will is always nice

remember the 4d6 GPS is costing you 3 feats! Thats a lot for a feat starved class!

Since you like the idea of having psi ability and warlock lets look at some possibilites...

A) 15 Warlock / 5th Psi Warrior -psi warrior will give you powers and pts, thats good, and the 3 feats...and good Fort save, although wis based, level to level better than a fighter but thats still leaving them behind Psion which is Int based.

B) 10 Warlock / 10 Psion...int based, and you get the 3 psi feats you wanted.

C) 3rd Psion / 3rd Warlock / 14 Eldritch Theurge -17th Warlock / 17th Psion but at the sacrifice of loosing your free psi feat every 5 levels from Psion, and the Warlock extras like fast healing etc. This could be a fun combo?

D) 5th Warlock and 5th Psion this will give you your deceive item and the 5th level bonus psi feat, 10th Eldritch Theurge = 15th Warlock/15th Psion

Point being you were spending 3 feats to get the Psi shot

Eman Resu

 

[Sekhmet]

Just for the record, the last time I played a Warlock, I rarely even used my EB's, and I'm sure the party I played with would say I was invaluable.

 

[SolitonMan]

remember, GPS is only 85% of the time at lvl 9 (i say 85% because i have to make a concentration dc check of 20, after ranks and mod i have a 16 in it, so a roll of 4 or higher hits). But when i get to lvl 10, im putting another skill point in it, and at 11...it doesnt matter after that because a 1 will always miss, even if you have +50 to the check.

Actually, by RAW, a 1 isn't an automatic failure on a skill check (and a 20 isn't an automatic success). You can check this at Using Skills :: d20srd.org, the last sentence in the second paragraph under "Skill Checks".

That's not to say that your DM won't house rule it. I know some players who do, personally I've always liked keeping the use of skills different from saving throws and attack rolls.

I'd also like to suggest that you acquire a Chasuble of Fell Power (greater) when you can, it adds +2d6 to your eldritch blast. I think it'd be a nice addition to the efforts you've made here so far. Sounds like a great warlock, it's definitely the most fun class I've played. Good luck!

 

[Knak12]

dont forget to include a roll to hit, your also going to miss ?% of the time. The damage you show is a max or an avg? Either way its for 3 attacks a day right? The rest of the day is the Warlocks true strength in unlimited ammo all touch shot. They can only attack 1x/rd but they can do it all day. So If you find yourselves in a situation where causing mediocre / light damage over a long period of time in beneficial you will shine. Untill then your putting alot of your feats, all of them, into this?

you are right. I am going to miss some of the time...and it would SUCKKKKKKKK if i miss on a Quicken/empower/max attack because it would be a SUPER waste...

the damage is all average. that make Empower the best POTENTIAL, but least on average. Max is GARUNTEED (if i hit that is) the high dmg output, but it is not as good as the "probably" damage average i would get for Quicken and GPS...but i can do GPS on every blast...

And yea its only 3 attacks with those Metas...thats why i picked Greater Psionic Shot, because it is infinite. I don't have to think about saving the Meta for the "boss" then realize later that there wasn't a boss this time...

remember the 4d6 GPS is costing you 3 feats! Thats a lot for a feat starved class!

that is so true...it would be wise of me to try and find feats that, instead making my EB better, make my warlock better as a whole, like more Invos...thanks for the advice on that...

also, what exactly is "evards black tnts"? what doe sit do? do you have any other suggestions for feats (also what they do)?

Since you like the idea of having psi ability and warlock lets look at some possibilites...

A) 15 Warlock / 5th Psi Warrior -psi warrior will give you powers and pts, thats good, and the 3 feats...and good Fort save, although wis based, level to level better than a fighter but thats still leaving them behind Psion which is Int based.

B) 10 Warlock / 10 Psion...int based, and you get the 3 psi feats you wanted.

C) 3rd Psion / 3rd Warlock / 14 Eldritch Theurge -17th Warlock / 17th Psion but at the sacrifice of loosing your free psi feat every 5 levels from Psion, and the Warlock extras like fast healing etc. This could be a fun combo?

D) 5th Warlock and 5th Psion this will give you your deceive item and the 5th level bonus psi feat, 10th Eldritch Theurge = 15th Warlock/15th Psion

all that stuff sounds amazing. and ive researched making one of those... but there are slight problems (not with your suggestion, but with my group):

My dm want NO prestige classes, and no multiclassing...becuase not only is the group noobish, he too is slightly noobish.

Also, my group is lvl 9...those are too high of builds for me to play with my group...but they do sound cool and i do wanna make one just for fun...

Actually, by RAW, a 1 isn't an automatic failure on a skill check (and a 20 isn't an automatic success). You can check this at Using Skills :: d20srd.org, the last sentence in the second paragraph under "Skill Checks".

Awesome, that means that I can get a garunteed suceed when i get to lvl 11...

I'd also like to suggest that you acquire a Chasuble of Fell Power (greater) when you can, it adds +2d6 to your eldritch blast. I think it'd be a nice addition to the efforts you've made here so far. Sounds like a great warlock, it's definitely the most fun class I've played. Good luck!

We are still very noobish. My dm will follow all the rules in fairness, as long as we can prove they exist. Also, i havent (we havent) really used any specific objects, but that looks lke something i should start to research, thanks for the help

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

also, what exactly is "evards black tnts"? what doe sit do? do you have any other suggestions for feats (also what they do)?

That's the spell, Evard's Black Tentacles.

 

[Eman Resu]

A major strength of the Warlock is his envocations. They will define/mold you. The more you have the "more" powerful you become, the "more" well rounded you are. So using a feat to gain another SLA, a SLA usable at will or on for 24 hours at a time is invaluable. I do believe the feats name is extra envocation? For the cost of a feat, it gives you 1 envocation albeit at 1 level lower than your max.

There are plenty of Warlock threads you can find here, and many Warlock saavy players that would help you, that know much more than I.