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Message: <blockquote data-quote="vageta31" data-source="post: 5466650" data-attributes="member: 6669978">ToB is in the air right now, I guess I can deal with that bridge when I cross it though I do like the idea. I agree swashbuckler is debatable, but with free weapon finesse and the INT damage bonus at level 3 it can be useful. It's a +2 damage at any attack whether it be ranged, thrown or melee and since I'm doing TWF and hopefully getting lots of thrown attacks it would add up. And an extra SA hit die can't hurt. If I wanted to completely get rid of SA and focus on pure melee damage I could have went Martial Rogue Variant, picked up 2 fighter levels for another two free feats(is that even legal or do the first two martial rogue levels count as the free fighter feats at 1 and 2? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":P" title="Stick out tongue    :P"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":P" />) and went with master thrower by level 6.If I took two fighter levels without swashbuckler I'd still have to use a feat for weapon finesse and then i wouldn't get insightful strike which is like another free feat at 3rd swash. Also I was planning on taking shield of blades and arcane stunt variant which is bonus things that I wouldn't get with pure rogue/fighter. Are they worth it? Again debatable. But I love the opinions, this is what I was wanting to hear. The biggest question is the pros and cons versus losing sneak damage or gaining feats.. I'd only have 3d6 sneak damage(more with craven if DM even allows it), is that worth the extra feats I could gain with skipping swashbuckler and going martial rogue/fighter and getting master thrower much earlier? I'm starting to lean towards martial rogue since I don't even know how long it'll take me to get to the levels to take advantage of my ideas.Which brings up one last question. If I give up sneak attack and thus the majority of the reasons to hide/move silently (other than gaining surprise encounters) wouldn't I just use medium/heavy armor for fighting? Or does the armor cause certain feats like weapon finesse to not work?</blockquote>

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