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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kae'Yoss" data-source="post: 2077379" data-attributes="member: 4134">Yes, it was quite harsh. I thought it appropriate to your statements, which way far out, too. Stuff like "absolute balance" and accusing people that they want to balance everything perfectly, at the cost of everything else. Saying things like that might provoke less-than-congenial reactions.Balance is objective, fun is subjective. I think about thinks both in regard to fun and balance at the same time, and have thought about it when I post. But the question about fun seems to be answered, at least as far as he is concerned. He things that would be great fun, or else he wouldn't try it. He might be interested about whether other people would like that, too, but this won't help him, except to sate his curiousity. But he might also like to know whether this seems feasable, and then others' opinions will be useful to himThe case is moot for me, for I don't even allow randomness into those parts of character creation where the standard rules do use it. Even more randomness is right out then. It's not just for min-maxing. It's also about playing that charakter you want to. Want to play a character that's smart, agile and alluring? Too bad, you only had two rolls that were above-average, the rest was average so you don't get a reroll. I won't even start that I wanted that character to be rather weak, which won't work, because I did roll "too good"The only thing that's solved is that you can play the class you want. It may very well still not be the character you envisoned (and then there's the thing about feats and their prereqisites)This will reduce the risk, but not totally eliminate it.You let them reroll as often as they want?"No, you cannot use point buy, you have to roll"(rolls) "Damn, those stats are rubbish, can I reroll?""You can reroll as often as you like!""Ah yes? What about this: Let's just assume that I sit down now and reroll. If the values are those I wrote down on this here piece of paper, I keep them, otherwise I reroll again. Follow me?""Yes""So can we just screw that rerolling and I just use these rolls?""......uhm, Okay""Thanks for letting me use point buy"I have to take that apart. The whatever floats your boat part is fine. The part where you imply that pb charakters are min-maxed things, not so. But maybe you really meant that you only encountered this, not that it is so in all or even most cases. In that case I must tell you that you played with power gamers. I see your "whatever floats your boat" and raise by "It's not guns that kill people".</blockquote>

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