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Message: <blockquote data-quote="JamesonCourage" data-source="post: 5859653" data-attributes="member: 6668292">And, I think where lines get crossed is in action resolution via the fiction. That is, Wizards can do dailies, and it makes sense in the fiction for that to be normal (it's magic!). Fighters can't, but you can justify it from a dramatist perspective (perfect setup, etc.).So, players will play a Wizard, and then play a Fighter, and oftentimes, I think the change in how the action resolution system interacts with the fiction is off-putting. They've become accustomed to a more simulation-based approach to interacting with the fiction, and now Fighters are acting like Wizards according to the action resolution system.Now, you can certainly separate the two, and if you do, there may not be a problem for you. For others, it is a problem. For others, having a more dramatist take on things may be a problem. For others, just the fact that the same resolution system is used (powers for both) may make them feel very similar (as compared to combat maneuvers vs. spells resolving very differently).But, for some people, separating all of these things is no problem, and it's easy and great. Fighters and Wizards use the same resolution system; how is this not just as great as 3.0 and the d20 system unification? Fighters use more dramatist powers; D&D has been trying to be a simulation for far too long! Fighters use narrative powers and Wizards use "magic" to use dailies; well, how else do you have a completely mundane guy compete with someone who tells physics where to shove it?It just depends on what kind of connections your mind makes. It's the same basic statement of "it feels like a video game" to some people; it's not that it's invalid, it's just a connection their mind has made. It doesn't mean it's universally true, and they're objectively wrong if they say it is, but something(s) has(have) caused a lot of people to feel that way, just as many people had a negative reaction to the Fighter/Wizard shared power (A/E/D) resolution system.Calling people out for "perpetuating a meme" is wrong in that it's dismissive. The "meme" may be subjective, but it's not invalid, and should be okay to voice from a subjective standpoint. No, it shouldn't be claimed that it's universally true, and people that do so are, again, objectively wrong.At any rate, there's going to be no stopping the claims of "they feel the same" because, well, to the guy/gal who says it, they do. And that's not any more or less valid than the Fighter/Wizard divide not feeling the same to the next guy/gal. It's just the way it is.Universal calls of a subjective feel need to stop on both sides, but voicing your subjective view on how something makes you feel? That should be okay, in my mind. As always, play what you like <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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