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4E combat and powers: How to keep the baby and not the bathwater?
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<blockquote data-quote="Crazy Jerome" data-source="post: 5860177" data-attributes="member: 54877"><p>It's a "free country" (within the mods rules and discretion <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />) on a relatively trivial subject. People can feel whatever they want, and express it however they want. Then other people can express how they feel about that, obviously also within tighter limits. However, if people want any kind of respect for the <strong>content</strong> implied by those feelings (as opposed to, say, themselves as a person having feelings like everyone else), then some accuracy in the content is helpful.</p><p> </p><p>If you say you that don't like (or do like for that matter) elves because you feel like they are too nature-loving or haughty or getting way too much milage out of having pointy ears, well, fine. Whatever. Some people won't agree, but it is all taste anyway. However, if you say you don't like D&D edtion X.Y elves because being short guys that bake cookies in cartoon treehouse make them <strong>feel</strong> trivial to you--your feelings are still yours to feel as you want, but your claim to content respect is non-existent. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p> </p><p>People making implied claims of content (or even fact) based on feelings is not the best thing in the world, but hardly earth shattering in human history. Given the confusion surrounding written forum communication, I'd expect more than our fair share in such an environment. We aren't Vulcans. Yet, what we get is sometimes beyond that. We get someone who is offended <strong>because</strong> their mistaken confusion between D&D elves and cookie mascots is called into question, as if that was an attack on whatever feelings they expressed. Or an attack on their best buddy that told them about the cookie mascots, and couldn't have possibly been joking or lying or mistaken or misunderstood or anything else. No, D&D elves make cookies in treehouses, and that's that. </p><p> </p><p>I should also say that I've had enough recent exposure to people with certain issues (and not uncommon and not their fault) to understand that it isn't quite that simple--that for some people, any disagreement with a point they make is an attack on their feelings, from their perspective. I don't think, however, that the best way to accommodate their needs is for people that darn well know better to try to make implications of fact behind the shield of feelings. If anything, it creates a more hostile environment for them. </p><p> </p><p>Short version: People will generally be a lot more tolerant of unpopular expressed feelings if those feelings are expressed as feelings and not something else.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Crazy Jerome, post: 5860177, member: 54877"] It's a "free country" (within the mods rules and discretion :)) on a relatively trivial subject. People can feel whatever they want, and express it however they want. Then other people can express how they feel about that, obviously also within tighter limits. However, if people want any kind of respect for the [B]content[/B] implied by those feelings (as opposed to, say, themselves as a person having feelings like everyone else), then some accuracy in the content is helpful. If you say you that don't like (or do like for that matter) elves because you feel like they are too nature-loving or haughty or getting way too much milage out of having pointy ears, well, fine. Whatever. Some people won't agree, but it is all taste anyway. However, if you say you don't like D&D edtion X.Y elves because being short guys that bake cookies in cartoon treehouse make them [B]feel[/B] trivial to you--your feelings are still yours to feel as you want, but your claim to content respect is non-existent. ;) People making implied claims of content (or even fact) based on feelings is not the best thing in the world, but hardly earth shattering in human history. Given the confusion surrounding written forum communication, I'd expect more than our fair share in such an environment. We aren't Vulcans. Yet, what we get is sometimes beyond that. We get someone who is offended [B]because[/B] their mistaken confusion between D&D elves and cookie mascots is called into question, as if that was an attack on whatever feelings they expressed. Or an attack on their best buddy that told them about the cookie mascots, and couldn't have possibly been joking or lying or mistaken or misunderstood or anything else. No, D&D elves make cookies in treehouses, and that's that. I should also say that I've had enough recent exposure to people with certain issues (and not uncommon and not their fault) to understand that it isn't quite that simple--that for some people, any disagreement with a point they make is an attack on their feelings, from their perspective. I don't think, however, that the best way to accommodate their needs is for people that darn well know better to try to make implications of fact behind the shield of feelings. If anything, it creates a more hostile environment for them. Short version: People will generally be a lot more tolerant of unpopular expressed feelings if those feelings are expressed as feelings and not something else. [/QUOTE]
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