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4E combat and powers: How to keep the baby and not the bathwater?
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<blockquote data-quote="Crazy Jerome" data-source="post: 5860212" data-attributes="member: 54877"><p>If one person says that they don't like D&D cookie making elves because it makes them feel trivial, we can let it slide, perhaps with a friendly correction on the facts while letting the feeling stand. If several people continue to do this, then it is the very definition of "meme". If some innocent comes along and expresses a meme all unknowingly, because that is what they feel, then it is still a meme.</p><p> </p><p>As far as accuracy and subjectivity, there are things that are completely subjective and things that admit to <strong>some</strong> reason and discussion, where reasonable people can draw minimal lines. If X reminds you of a videogame, makes the game "feel" like a videogame--well, not much to say to that. OTOH, if you feel that X is too much like a videogame <strong>because</strong> A, B, and C are like videogames ... You are entitled to your feeling, you are not entitled to shield <strong>your subjective</strong> interpretation of the <strong>nature</strong> of A, B, and C on the grounds that because your interpretation is not based on anything solid, no one else's is either. Given the admitted basis for the statement, how could such a person even know enough to compare with what others think and why?</p><p> </p><p>I'll grant that some will take the view that it is all subjective, and the preceding paragraph never applies to anything. They can do that. And as soon as I become aware that they are doing that, I can stop paying any attention to anything they say, on the grounds that the chances of them having any useful insights or thoughts are extremely low. Win-win. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool :cool:" data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Crazy Jerome, post: 5860212, member: 54877"] If one person says that they don't like D&D cookie making elves because it makes them feel trivial, we can let it slide, perhaps with a friendly correction on the facts while letting the feeling stand. If several people continue to do this, then it is the very definition of "meme". If some innocent comes along and expresses a meme all unknowingly, because that is what they feel, then it is still a meme. As far as accuracy and subjectivity, there are things that are completely subjective and things that admit to [B]some[/B] reason and discussion, where reasonable people can draw minimal lines. If X reminds you of a videogame, makes the game "feel" like a videogame--well, not much to say to that. OTOH, if you feel that X is too much like a videogame [B]because[/B] A, B, and C are like videogames ... You are entitled to your feeling, you are not entitled to shield [B]your subjective[/B] interpretation of the [B]nature[/B] of A, B, and C on the grounds that because your interpretation is not based on anything solid, no one else's is either. Given the admitted basis for the statement, how could such a person even know enough to compare with what others think and why? I'll grant that some will take the view that it is all subjective, and the preceding paragraph never applies to anything. They can do that. And as soon as I become aware that they are doing that, I can stop paying any attention to anything they say, on the grounds that the chances of them having any useful insights or thoughts are extremely low. Win-win. :cool: [/QUOTE]
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