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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Siberys" data-source="post: 5861486" data-attributes="member: 30619"><p>I don't think penalties to an action to prevent its use more often really works, honestly. For the person optimized for that action, it's not actually a hurdle at all, and for the person who wants to try it out because it makes sense given the narrative, it's just giving them an arbitrarily larger chance of failing, so they end up doing the 'better', normal option. This happened in my 3.x games with grapple all the time - somebody would ask about grappling something because it made sense and sounded cool, I'd pull out the rules and describe how they'd work, and then the player would change their mind because the rules were not conducive to the desired result.</p></blockquote><p></p>