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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 5862251" data-attributes="member: 22779">I'd point out something else here.By adding in a -5 cumulative penalty (or whatever the meaningful penalty is), all we've done is shift the mark one step to the left.&nbsp; One of the big criticisms of the encounter powers is, &quot;Why can't I do this more than once?&quot;&nbsp; Why doesn't the same argument apply to this?&nbsp; &quot;Why can't I do this more than twice?&quot;&nbsp; After all, after the second time, with the whacking great penalty, you realistically can't do it more than twice.Sure, you can try, but, you'd have to try twenty times to get it.&nbsp; Not likely going to happen.&nbsp; Even people with really bad math skills can likely figure out that if they need a 20 to do something, they're likely going to try something else.And, if the penalty isn't cumulative, then we're right back into the same boat as 3e - the specialist spams the same thing over and over again, while the non-focused guy might try it once in a blue moon.You could get the same result as the cumulative penalty simply by saying, &quot;Encounter powers work twice per encounter&quot;.&nbsp; You get pretty much the same result (outside of that 5% chance of rolling a 20).&nbsp; If I can do something twice fairly reliably, then why can't I do it three times?&nbsp; This is exactly the same criticism of the power system with an extra +1 tacked on.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 5862251, member: 22779"] I'd point out something else here. By adding in a -5 cumulative penalty (or whatever the meaningful penalty is), all we've done is shift the mark one step to the left. One of the big criticisms of the encounter powers is, "Why can't I do this more than once?" Why doesn't the same argument apply to this? "Why can't I do this more than twice?" After all, after the second time, with the whacking great penalty, you realistically can't do it more than twice. Sure, you can try, but, you'd have to try twenty times to get it. Not likely going to happen. Even people with really bad math skills can likely figure out that if they need a 20 to do something, they're likely going to try something else. And, if the penalty isn't cumulative, then we're right back into the same boat as 3e - the specialist spams the same thing over and over again, while the non-focused guy might try it once in a blue moon. You could get the same result as the cumulative penalty simply by saying, "Encounter powers work twice per encounter". You get pretty much the same result (outside of that 5% chance of rolling a 20). If I can do something twice fairly reliably, then why can't I do it three times? This is exactly the same criticism of the power system with an extra +1 tacked on. [/QUOTE]

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