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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Zustiur" data-source="post: 5863221" data-attributes="member: 1544">Hmm. That's not how I see it at all. Martial classes get to be awesome at a penalty, yes... but they can do it all day. While casters get to be awesome through spells, which run out. You're assuming full attack exists. I'm not. Particularly after the last rule of 3 I read which mentioned a fighter charging and tripping someone in the same round. Even if you must stand still to attack multiple times in one round, I see no problem with splitting your 3 attacks into damage/damage/trip.  I can understand that. But how do you avoid it other than including the 'awesome' as part of a standard damaging attack?Do you agree that in order to perform a trip action, you must first not be doing something else? I'm aiming for a system where 'trip opponent' is roughly equal to 'damage opponent'. The only reason the system I outlined at the top of page 15 includes penalties to rolls it that in those instances the character is performing two actions simultaneously. If you just trip, you have no penalty. If you just attack, you have no penalty. If you try to do both at the same time, there's a -5. This is a serious viewpoint thing. I'm not rationing out fun. I'm balancing out attack types. I am not of the opinion that a standard weapon attack is 'unfun'. If that was aimed at me, I should point out that I did not mention anything about cumulative penalties.Again, that depends entirely on how much specialization you allow for. My aim is to end up with a situation where the nonfocussed guy tries it occasionally. Say once every 5 battles. Where as the specialist tries it a bit more frequently, but still not all of the time. Say every 3 battles.Ok, maybe I've lost track of who is saying what, but I'm really confused by this statement. If I'm not mistaken, you're arguing in favour of powers that can only be used once per encounter/day. Please explain how limiting something to 1/whatever isn't madating that 20 out of 20 tables have an average time in the situations described?I'm hearing an awful lot of 'No no no' in this thread, and distinct lack of 'yes and' or 'yes  but'. I also get the impression that the three most frequent posters are all using different definitions of the word 'awesome'.Let's have a little less of the argumentative tone and a bit more "here's the kind of mechanics I want to see".I've outlined a system that I believe would work well. Please suggest improvements or alternatives.</blockquote>

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