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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 5864487" data-attributes="member: 957">I think the important question here is: Is this a practical reality for a significant portion of 3E players?It is easy to get the idea of a niche build character optimized around a trick.  And, as with so many other points, I completely concede that 3E has no barrier to prevent that.  But lacking a safeguard against something is one thing and actively encouraging it is another altogether.Now, if you presume that the players are coming from a gamist take and "winning" is everything, then it is easy how to see that those players are going to be pulled into a min/max approach and won't care about "spamming" their abilities.  I can see how that would be boring to me.  But what I don't see is that actually happening in play.  IME narrative driven gaming is an automatic cure (or preventative) for this issue.  This works from both the player and DM side of the table.  The players make cool characters, not spam tricks.  Yes, the barbarians tend toward cliche and I've seen many a fireball loving wizard.  But there is a very real gap between those things and spamming one thing.  And from the DM side, it is easy to imagine how a "win" perspective would lead to a lot more very consistently themed combats that would lend themselves to "spamming".  Whereas a more natural narrative driven game has a much broader more organic variation of circumstances.  The question isn't a simple tactical matter of how best to spam power A against monsters X, Y, and Z this time, but rather a consideration of how this character will deal with this set of circumstances.  If the gamist option was typical, then I think these concerns would be valid.  But I also think that 3E would have flopped massively and PF would not exist.  3E may not work for you or Hussar, but it works for a huge chunk of the little teapot community that is TTRPG players.  The option to go into spamming doesn't equate to a reality of being driven or even "encouraged" to do so for many of us.So that problem doesn't strike me as valid on the one hand.  And for the 4E approach the mechanics are mandating a "solution" to a problem I don't have.  Telling me "thou shalt not use this power more than once per encounter" is a major flaw for a system to overcome.</blockquote>

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