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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 5870075" data-attributes="member: 22779">Umm, what?How is any of this edition warring?  No one is saying Edition X sucks because of this or that element.  Sure, we might have preferences for the way Edition X resolves various issues, and that gets to the heart of what should be kept for a new edition.  As edition warring goes this is probably one of the more polite discussions I've had in a while.  Heck, it's even got nose tweaking and no one's getting fussed.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />There is nothing wrong with comparing editions.  That's part and parcel to how you come up with new mechanics.  And, I'd hasten to point out, the medium makes things look more intractable than they really are.  It's all part of debating and discussion.  I'm fairly willing to see the other side here (I think) and everyone else seems to be willing too.Just because we don't happen to agree doesn't make it edition warring.Just as a point:This one isn't quite such and issue actually.  Inherent bonuses make the need for plussed items pretty much a non issue.  Since stat bonus items are largely removed, you can play 4e with very little magic with no problems.</blockquote>