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Message: <blockquote data-quote="dave2008" data-source="post: 9559146" data-attributes="member: 83242">I am just trying to point out that a lot of the arguments against the Wheel don't hold water, or only hold water if you think the various planes are physically arranged in some type of wheel. If you take the description of the Great Wheel cosmology as being literally (even when they tell you it is not) then sure it doesn't make much sense from certain perspectives. So if you want me to defend it I can, but that is not something I feel compelled to do.To be clear, I don't think the Great Wheel is any better than the World Axis or World Tree or any other cosmology.*  If I had to pick the Great Wheel or the World Axis, I would probably pick the World Axis. However, I would do that primarily because I prefer the lore behind it more, not because it is a superior cosmology. As I noted previously, my preference is a version of the marriage of the wheel and the axis that 5e as being move towards (with my own wrinkles thrown in of course).[spoiler=* caveat]With one exception: spelljammer. The idea of crystal spheres and the pholgiston never made any sense to me. But I never dug to deep into that setting.[/spoiler]</blockquote>