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Message: <blockquote data-quote="dave2008" data-source="post: 9561200" data-attributes="member: 83242">What I love about 4e lore and the World Axis is so tight and works together like real world mythology. That drew me into the PoL setting more than any previous setting. It is great from that aspect. However, I spend an inordinate amount of time working on deities and similar exalted beings (love me some primordials). At some point I realized the tight PoL setting didn't make sense for my understanding of the divine (and similiar entities). My default assumption when it comes to deities, and by proxy the cosmos, is that mortals do not, and possibly cannot, understand them. Therefore, and myth, tale, or cosmology mortals develops is invariable wrong to some degree or another.  So a tidy cosmology / lore didn't make sense to me from that perspective.So, back when I played 4e, I started thinking of ways to modify the default 4e setting to make it less comprehensible. First and foremost was that any idea of the cosmology would be incorrect. Any description of the cosmos is limited by our ability to observe, describe, and understand its true nature. That was freeing. Now, it so happens the easy, and nostalgic, thing to do to add some crazy was to mash it with the great wheel, so I started working on that. What I came up with ended up being very similar to what became the 5e cosmos (mine had some differences), so I was surprised to see my work in the 2014 DMG!Well that is an extreme take, but again that seems to be the way you go. I don't know how I can discuss this with you if you always go to extremes.  Saying we don't know is not a rejection of truth. That is the ultimate truth IME.Regarding RPG products. Some like everything spelled out, some like it vague. That is OK and neither is a rejection of truth. That is your take on what it says, but that is not fundamentally what it says. We are both colored by our viewpoints. I am aware of that, I am not sure you are. You are correct, and neither did I. What I quoted said: "everything good" was removed. That is what I responded to.How about this, why don't we agree to disagree and move on. I don't know why, as we are both 4e people, we are even arguing about this.</blockquote>

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