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Message: <blockquote data-quote="occam" data-source="post: 9561601" data-attributes="member: 39815">A couple of observations:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">In a standard D&D game, i.e. given availability of PHB spells and classes, verifiability is probably inevitable. If you have access to things like Plane Shift, Contact Other Plane, etc., you can eventually map out the universe/multiverse.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Given that any symmetry that exists in a fictional creation is put there by the creators, all symmetry is "unnecessary"; it's the result of choice.</li> </ul>If I can propose a summation of your position, then, you don't like the Great Wheel because of the amount of symmetry present in it, or at least that's one reason. Maybe you like your fantasy cosmologies messy. And that's fine, I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from.I do want to say that the presence of symmetries in the Great Wheel model isn't an objective point against it, though. After all, as mentioned above, real-world cosmology appears to be underpinned by symmetries, and certainly the models that people have built and are still building to explain it are based on symmetries. In addition, there are symmetries present in plenty of historical and mythological cosmological models, so it seems to be a pretty natural thing to include when creating one. Whether or not that appeals to you is a matter of taste.</blockquote>