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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 9574345" data-attributes="member: 87792"><p>But. When A says light is a particle and B says it is a wave <em>both are right</em>. When either says they are 100% correct they are wrong. Because reality is too big for either of them. Of course you can cherry pick cases where people are wrong - but there are times when they can both be right. And it is impossible (see the Uncertainty Principle) for either to have knowledge that is <em>complete</em>.</p><p></p><p>I don't believe that this is true in 5e cosmology; as I understand it the Outer Planes are <em>all</em> connected to the Astral Plane/Astral Sea. Like I've said in the past the modern Great Wheel is (with the possible exception of the etherial plane) largely a different projection of 4e cosmology.</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]395126[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p></p><p>Or even with different meanings of "the Astral". Just as "America" has multiple related meanings.</p><p></p><p>I'm going to ask for a citation on this being true in D&D 5e's version of the World Tree. Because I'm pretty sure <em>Plane Shift</em> has no restriction that way.</p><p></p><p>And what I'm saying is that <em>none</em> of them is completely true - but all of them are probably true enough to be useful.</p><p></p><p>And using my map projection this makes as much sense as "Person A can <em>correctly</em> perceive the Mercator Projection while another person B at exactly the same ... can <em>correctly</em> perceive the Wasserman Butterfly". The reality isn't a flat map but an oblate spheroid. The Great Wheel and World Axis are just 2d maps of an at least 4d space.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 9574345, member: 87792"] But. When A says light is a particle and B says it is a wave [I]both are right[/I]. When either says they are 100% correct they are wrong. Because reality is too big for either of them. Of course you can cherry pick cases where people are wrong - but there are times when they can both be right. And it is impossible (see the Uncertainty Principle) for either to have knowledge that is [I]complete[/I]. I don't believe that this is true in 5e cosmology; as I understand it the Outer Planes are [I]all[/I] connected to the Astral Plane/Astral Sea. Like I've said in the past the modern Great Wheel is (with the possible exception of the etherial plane) largely a different projection of 4e cosmology. [ATTACH type="full" size="1000x1011"]395126[/ATTACH] Or even with different meanings of "the Astral". Just as "America" has multiple related meanings. I'm going to ask for a citation on this being true in D&D 5e's version of the World Tree. Because I'm pretty sure [I]Plane Shift[/I] has no restriction that way. And what I'm saying is that [I]none[/I] of them is completely true - but all of them are probably true enough to be useful. And using my map projection this makes as much sense as "Person A can [I]correctly[/I] perceive the Mercator Projection while another person B at exactly the same ... can [I]correctly[/I] perceive the Wasserman Butterfly". The reality isn't a flat map but an oblate spheroid. The Great Wheel and World Axis are just 2d maps of an at least 4d space. [/QUOTE]
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