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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9577685" data-attributes="member: 6790260">How could I possibly be making a strawman argument?I was giving examples about quantum physics. Ones rooted in things real, actual people really did think and advance before our understanding of quantum physics matured. There really was an intense debate about whether light was a wave (as required by things like Newtonian optics) or a particle (as required by Einstein's then-recently-proven photoelectric effect). That's not a strawman. That's a literal, actual argument real people once had. I used it as an example to show that it is possible for both people to be claiming something wrong, when the correct answer is some other, third thing (in this case, wave/particle duality).Again, how could this possibly be a strawman? I wasn't ascribing these positions to anyone. I wasn't claiming anyone holds positions like it. I was simply giving a demonstration of a clear example where two people are making testable claims about their world, where some of those claims are right and some of them are wrong. For each, I specifically gave them two claims they were wrong about, and one claim they were right about. One of the two claims was something both of them were wrong about...which is literally explicit recognition of something you tried to skewer me with, which is that a cosmology can be incomplete or contain inaccuracies!This was about what characters INSIDE the cosmology say. None of us is inside any of these cosmologies (thank the good Lord!)Who was I strawmanning?</blockquote>

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