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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9580897" data-attributes="member: 6790260"><p>No. The World Tree shape IS the Astral Plane. All of those "branches" <em>are</em> Toril's Astral Plane. The text is quite explicit about that fact.</p><p></p><p>That's where the disconnect lies. I appreciate the rest of your response, it's good stuff and very thorough! But with this one, first misunderstanding, the entire rest of the analysis is thrown off.</p><p></p><p></p><p>No, it works perfectly fine. It's just that it ONLY works to (or from) Toril. If you cast <em>plane shift</em> while located in, say, Dweomerheart, you get one choice of destination: Toril. If you cast it on Toril, you can pick any other plane you wish to go to. This is because--as noted--the World Tree structure <em>is</em> Toril's Astral Plane, and thus spells that operate by invoking the Astral Plane, such as <em>plane shift</em>, do not have the capacity to traverse directly from one to another. You must cast <em>plane shift</em> twice in order to travel from any Outer (or Inner) plane to any other Outer (or Inner) plane--once to get to Toril, and then again to get to your destination.</p><p></p><p></p><p>But how is that possible? All three of them agree an Astral Plane exists. Two disagree with the third about whether that Astral is tree-shaped and works by branches and only allows planar travel if it passes through the "trunk" (Toril, aka the Prime Material), or cloud-shaped and permitting travel between any two points as one likes.</p><p></p><p>The "censorship" angle only makes sense under your (unfortunately, mistaken) claim that the Astral Plane simply isn't part of the World Tree cosmology at all. But it is part of that cosmology, indeed, it's the thing in the cosmology that is tree-shaped!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 9580897, member: 6790260"] No. The World Tree shape IS the Astral Plane. All of those "branches" [I]are[/I] Toril's Astral Plane. The text is quite explicit about that fact. That's where the disconnect lies. I appreciate the rest of your response, it's good stuff and very thorough! But with this one, first misunderstanding, the entire rest of the analysis is thrown off. No, it works perfectly fine. It's just that it ONLY works to (or from) Toril. If you cast [I]plane shift[/I] while located in, say, Dweomerheart, you get one choice of destination: Toril. If you cast it on Toril, you can pick any other plane you wish to go to. This is because--as noted--the World Tree structure [I]is[/I] Toril's Astral Plane, and thus spells that operate by invoking the Astral Plane, such as [I]plane shift[/I], do not have the capacity to traverse directly from one to another. You must cast [I]plane shift[/I] twice in order to travel from any Outer (or Inner) plane to any other Outer (or Inner) plane--once to get to Toril, and then again to get to your destination. But how is that possible? All three of them agree an Astral Plane exists. Two disagree with the third about whether that Astral is tree-shaped and works by branches and only allows planar travel if it passes through the "trunk" (Toril, aka the Prime Material), or cloud-shaped and permitting travel between any two points as one likes. The "censorship" angle only makes sense under your (unfortunately, mistaken) claim that the Astral Plane simply isn't part of the World Tree cosmology at all. But it is part of that cosmology, indeed, it's the thing in the cosmology that is tree-shaped! [/QUOTE]
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