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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cadfan" data-source="post: 3768157" data-attributes="member: 40961">I know a person who plays 2nd Edition.  She, and her entire gaming group, refuse to upgrade to 3rd edition or 3.5 because they feel it "sucked the creativity out of gaming."  I've tried to inquire why, because I honestly couldn't figure out how they reached that conclusion.None of them could put it into words clearly.  But they all seemed convinced that in 2nd Ed, you could be creative, while in 3rd Ed you were tied down by all kinds of rules that sucked out the creativity.As near as I can tell, what's going on is a difference in play styles.  They like a sort of mother-may-I approach to D&D, where they just make up random crazy stuff, and say that they try it.  And the DM just decides if it works or not.  From that perspective, adding a skill called Balance actually reduces the creativity of the game.  Under 2nd Ed, they'd just declare that they were going to balance on something and fight a dragon or whatever, and the DM would decide if it worked, or make up some random die roll based on his ballpark estimate of the chance for success.  Under 3rd Ed, they'd be expected to actually have ranks in Balance.  If they didn't, their character would fall.From that perspective, I can see why some people might feel 4e is "less creative."  By actually codifying things, the ability to make random stuff up and have it work (if your DM lets you) is lost.  Accurate, elegant and balanced codification of the rules is therefore a bad thing from this perspective.I understand the reasoning.  But, I hate the playstyle.  This may be selfish, but if sacrificing those players happiness is what it takes to get me the game I want, where I know my character's abilities and can plan tactically based upon them, then I'm ok with it.  I'm sorry for those people who will desparately miss "being creative" by declaring that they're going to use Tensor's Floating Disk as an impenetrable shield against arrow fire or whatever.  My vision for D&D doesn't include those folks.  But I can recommend a playgroup they might enjoy.</blockquote>

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