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<blockquote data-quote="Elphilm" data-source="post: 3868722" data-attributes="member: 55130"><p>Orcs of Middle-Earth would be stat-wise close to a D&D goblin. Even <em>Sam</em> slays an orc in Moria, and he would certainly not be a 1st-level fighter in D&D! A 1st-level commoner, perhaps.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If the average commoner has about 3 hit points, the hit point total of a 5th-6th level character is <em>phenomenal.</em></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Here I think is the gist of the problem. If you take Glorfindel's prophecy literally - that the Witch-King cannot be harmed by a living man no matter what - then that would be a pretty powerful ability. But if you ask me, Glorfindel simply foresaw the Witch-King's end at the hands of a woman and spoke accordingly.</p><p></p><p>Saying the nazgûl are more powerful than Death Knights is pretty absurd to me, considering that they accomplish so little in the story. Death Knights wouldn't knife people in inns at night, they would burn Bree to the ground and laugh. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Then why does Aragorn himself wonder out loud why the ringwraiths withdraw? He even <em>says</em> that the ringwraiths must believe their task is nearly accomplished!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>A warrior character of that level could jump from the top of a mountain and survive. Granted, in Jackson's films Aragorn <em>does</em> fall down a cliff, and he also cleaves through hordes of orcs like they were nothing to him - but nowhere in the books does he perform such feats.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah, he's more like 6th-level.</p><p></p><p><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Elphilm, post: 3868722, member: 55130"] Orcs of Middle-Earth would be stat-wise close to a D&D goblin. Even [i]Sam[/i] slays an orc in Moria, and he would certainly not be a 1st-level fighter in D&D! A 1st-level commoner, perhaps. If the average commoner has about 3 hit points, the hit point total of a 5th-6th level character is [i]phenomenal.[/i] Here I think is the gist of the problem. If you take Glorfindel's prophecy literally - that the Witch-King cannot be harmed by a living man no matter what - then that would be a pretty powerful ability. But if you ask me, Glorfindel simply foresaw the Witch-King's end at the hands of a woman and spoke accordingly. Saying the nazgûl are more powerful than Death Knights is pretty absurd to me, considering that they accomplish so little in the story. Death Knights wouldn't knife people in inns at night, they would burn Bree to the ground and laugh. :) Then why does Aragorn himself wonder out loud why the ringwraiths withdraw? He even [i]says[/i] that the ringwraiths must believe their task is nearly accomplished! A warrior character of that level could jump from the top of a mountain and survive. Granted, in Jackson's films Aragorn [i]does[/i] fall down a cliff, and he also cleaves through hordes of orcs like they were nothing to him - but nowhere in the books does he perform such feats. Yeah, he's more like 6th-level. ;) [/QUOTE]
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