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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 3883783" data-attributes="member: 22779"><p>Beowulf isn't fantasy either. It's what fantasy was before fantasy was a genre. Fantasy as a genre has only existed for a couple of hundred years. The simple existence of monsters or magic doesn't make something fantasy or else all of myth and legend is now included in the fantasy genre. </p><p></p><p>Bram Stoker's Dracula is pretty much solidly 19th Century Romance. It's also the beginning of Horror, but, again, Horror as a genre is a fairly new one as well. Simply being a scary story doesn't make something horror, or Grimm's Fairy Tales would be Horror. Then again Grimm are not Fantasy either. They're fairy tales.</p><p></p><p>The problem is, you're trying to take a modern genre and apply it backwards. </p><p></p><p>Simply having a monster doesn't make something fantasy or horror. If it did, Hound of the Baskervilles would be fantasy and horror. There's more to a genre than a couple of tropes. </p><p></p><p>....</p><p></p><p>Y'know what, I'm done with this. Genre discussions are pointless. I cannot say anything that will convince you and you're not going to convince me. Yes, genre is not fixed. Of course that's true. But, you cannot simply place things in any genre you like. Dracula is NOT a fantasy novel. There's a lot of smarter people than me who can explain it better than I can. While genre is fluid, it's not formless. Yes, things can appear in two genres. That's fine. But, for the sakes of this discussion, it's also entirely beside the point.</p><p></p><p>RC is claiming that there is this huge body of fantasy literature to draw from prior to the late 70's. To back his claim, he's including all sorts of works that aren't usually included in the fantasy genre. Dracula, Tarzan, Harry Hausenens (sp), whatever. That's what I'm arguing against. </p><p></p><p>Yes, there was fantasy prior to 1980. Of course there was. But, at that time, fantasy was a tiny sub-genre of science fiction, not this robust, well read genre that RC is claiming it to be. Post 1980, you can make that claim. Fantasy lit post 1980 is HUGE. There's been more fantasy novels printed since 2000 than prior to 1970. That's the only point I've been trying to make.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 3883783, member: 22779"] Beowulf isn't fantasy either. It's what fantasy was before fantasy was a genre. Fantasy as a genre has only existed for a couple of hundred years. The simple existence of monsters or magic doesn't make something fantasy or else all of myth and legend is now included in the fantasy genre. Bram Stoker's Dracula is pretty much solidly 19th Century Romance. It's also the beginning of Horror, but, again, Horror as a genre is a fairly new one as well. Simply being a scary story doesn't make something horror, or Grimm's Fairy Tales would be Horror. Then again Grimm are not Fantasy either. They're fairy tales. The problem is, you're trying to take a modern genre and apply it backwards. Simply having a monster doesn't make something fantasy or horror. If it did, Hound of the Baskervilles would be fantasy and horror. There's more to a genre than a couple of tropes. .... Y'know what, I'm done with this. Genre discussions are pointless. I cannot say anything that will convince you and you're not going to convince me. Yes, genre is not fixed. Of course that's true. But, you cannot simply place things in any genre you like. Dracula is NOT a fantasy novel. There's a lot of smarter people than me who can explain it better than I can. While genre is fluid, it's not formless. Yes, things can appear in two genres. That's fine. But, for the sakes of this discussion, it's also entirely beside the point. RC is claiming that there is this huge body of fantasy literature to draw from prior to the late 70's. To back his claim, he's including all sorts of works that aren't usually included in the fantasy genre. Dracula, Tarzan, Harry Hausenens (sp), whatever. That's what I'm arguing against. Yes, there was fantasy prior to 1980. Of course there was. But, at that time, fantasy was a tiny sub-genre of science fiction, not this robust, well read genre that RC is claiming it to be. Post 1980, you can make that claim. Fantasy lit post 1980 is HUGE. There's been more fantasy novels printed since 2000 than prior to 1970. That's the only point I've been trying to make. [/QUOTE]
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