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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 3884909" data-attributes="member: 22779"><p>Yet, we have people here sticking The Lost World into Fantasy. After all, if Tarzan is Fantasy, why not The Lost World?</p><p></p><p>And, as to the appeal to authority goes, well, I'll put my degree up for grabs. I'm not confusing anything here. </p><p></p><p>Sorry, I don't buy into this Platonic Ideal of genre where the genres exist if only we were perfect enough to comprehend them. Genre, like category, is simply a construct to allow us to group similar stories together. Genre, unlike category, as you so rightly point out, doesn't care about economics. However, Modern Fantasy (which is the genre we're discussing) didn't exist until about 200 years ago. You don't get to suddenly retcon older works into the new genre. Yes, they are antecedents of the genre, but, they are not part of the genre itself. </p><p></p><p>Yes, the Greek myth of Jason and the Argonauts is not in the same genre as the movie based on the same. They are different. They are written differently, they approach the material differently and they contain different elements. Never mind the fact that one is a movie and the other an oral tradition myth.</p><p></p><p>Heh, as a side note, I find it terribly ironic that someone would take me to task for not knowing about literary criticism and then quote authorial intent as part of their proof. </p><p></p><p>RC - Yes, Tarzan does sit in the Fantasy section NOW. However, 30 years ago, you would be very, very hard pressed to find a fantasy section outside of the largest and most well stocked of bookstores.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 3884909, member: 22779"] Yet, we have people here sticking The Lost World into Fantasy. After all, if Tarzan is Fantasy, why not The Lost World? And, as to the appeal to authority goes, well, I'll put my degree up for grabs. I'm not confusing anything here. Sorry, I don't buy into this Platonic Ideal of genre where the genres exist if only we were perfect enough to comprehend them. Genre, like category, is simply a construct to allow us to group similar stories together. Genre, unlike category, as you so rightly point out, doesn't care about economics. However, Modern Fantasy (which is the genre we're discussing) didn't exist until about 200 years ago. You don't get to suddenly retcon older works into the new genre. Yes, they are antecedents of the genre, but, they are not part of the genre itself. Yes, the Greek myth of Jason and the Argonauts is not in the same genre as the movie based on the same. They are different. They are written differently, they approach the material differently and they contain different elements. Never mind the fact that one is a movie and the other an oral tradition myth. Heh, as a side note, I find it terribly ironic that someone would take me to task for not knowing about literary criticism and then quote authorial intent as part of their proof. RC - Yes, Tarzan does sit in the Fantasy section NOW. However, 30 years ago, you would be very, very hard pressed to find a fantasy section outside of the largest and most well stocked of bookstores. [/QUOTE]
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