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<blockquote data-quote="PeterWeller" data-source="post: 3886251" data-attributes="member: 55795"><p>There we go, and I am a jerk for missing the link.</p><p></p><p>To me, the fantasy genre is not synonymous with modern fantasy. The former contains any and all stories that contain fantasy tropes, the latter contains only those written in the context of the modern world, and our modern view of what is and isn't real. I prefer the definition I am using because it opens discourse to both look at early works as antecedents to modern ones, and to look at them as members of the same grand continuity. Modern fantasy exists as a genre to differentiate from romances or myths or fairy tales. Fantasy is a broad blanket term that contains all of these. There's lumping and splitting involved. Anything exhibiting fantasy tropes is lumped into the fantasy genre, then split into a further sub-genre that differentiates based on further considerations, such as period, theme, style, etc. Really, though, our definitions aren't as nearly at odds as we would make them. Your definition often defaults to using the term Modern Fantasy, which can be presumed as a clarification to differ it from a perceived greater fantasy genre. So, whereas you and Hussar use the term Fantasy to refer to modern fantasy, I have been using it to refer to a greater continuum involving earlier romances, myths, epics, and legends. Your more specific term, modern fantasy, fits into the greater realm of my term, fantasy.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="PeterWeller, post: 3886251, member: 55795"] There we go, and I am a jerk for missing the link. To me, the fantasy genre is not synonymous with modern fantasy. The former contains any and all stories that contain fantasy tropes, the latter contains only those written in the context of the modern world, and our modern view of what is and isn't real. I prefer the definition I am using because it opens discourse to both look at early works as antecedents to modern ones, and to look at them as members of the same grand continuity. Modern fantasy exists as a genre to differentiate from romances or myths or fairy tales. Fantasy is a broad blanket term that contains all of these. There's lumping and splitting involved. Anything exhibiting fantasy tropes is lumped into the fantasy genre, then split into a further sub-genre that differentiates based on further considerations, such as period, theme, style, etc. Really, though, our definitions aren't as nearly at odds as we would make them. Your definition often defaults to using the term Modern Fantasy, which can be presumed as a clarification to differ it from a perceived greater fantasy genre. So, whereas you and Hussar use the term Fantasy to refer to modern fantasy, I have been using it to refer to a greater continuum involving earlier romances, myths, epics, and legends. Your more specific term, modern fantasy, fits into the greater realm of my term, fantasy. [/QUOTE]
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