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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aldarc" data-source="post: 8412306" data-attributes="member: 5142">As much of a fan of 4e as I am, I will not say that some issues were never substantive or only a matter of presentation, though this is not to say that the latter didn't have any effect. However, the challenge for me was finding the insightful critiques of 4e amidst the flaming, thread-crapping, emotion-laden, accusations, hyperbole, misinformation, etc. of the Edition Wars. I don't think I really felt like I found the better critiques until afterwards, mainly from fans of 4e who had a better grasp on the strengths and weaknesses of the system without the axe to grind. While 5e does have a lot of repackaged or recontextualized elements that are similar to design concepts from 4e, 5e does feel more similar to a cross-breed of 2e D&D with 3e D&D, with a greater focus on GM-curated stories and authority from the former. I think that, overall, we are in a better place to look back and review the game. It's far from perfect. It's no secret that 4e was rushed in playtest development and riddled with problems. It would be nice, IMHO, if we could get a polished version of the game. I suspect that we would need two different polished versions though: one based on 4e Core and and one on 4e Essentials. Depending on who you ask, Essentials either improved or broke 4e. I'm not sure if WotC would ever open 4e up to retro-clones or for polishing the way the OSR did for B/X and 1e D&D, but I think that it would actually do wonders for the community.</blockquote>

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