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<blockquote data-quote="Stalker0" data-source="post: 8412376" data-attributes="member: 5889">And you think that's bad, check out Pathfinder 1e. I went online to pick a feat for a character, and after whifting through pages and pages and pages and PAGES of garbage feats I was like &quot;my god this is true bloat&quot;. There are feats so bad in there if I had 4x the feats I get at base I still would never take them.That said, I don't think 5e feats are underwhelming (at base, there are garbage feats of course but that's the exception not the norm). However, I can respect that people don't get them often enough. A typical character gets 1 feat at 4th and at 8th. 8th level..... for many groups this might be nearing the end of the game, meaning that they basically will have 1 feat for the nigh entirety of their adventuring career. There is a reason the variant human is such a popular race.I get it.... 5e wanted to make feats more distinctive (well they technically wanted to make them optional but not sure how well that worked out). But I think they went against the grain here. People like feats, they WANT feats. At minimum I think 1st level characters should get a feat.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Stalker0, post: 8412376, member: 5889"] And you think that's bad, check out Pathfinder 1e. I went online to pick a feat for a character, and after whifting through pages and pages and pages and PAGES of garbage feats I was like "my god this is true bloat". There are feats so bad in there if I had 4x the feats I get at base I still would never take them. That said, I don't think 5e feats are underwhelming (at base, there are garbage feats of course but that's the exception not the norm). However, I can respect that people don't get them often enough. A typical character gets 1 feat at 4th and at 8th. 8th level..... for many groups this might be nearing the end of the game, meaning that they basically will have 1 feat for the nigh entirety of their adventuring career. There is a reason the variant human is such a popular race. I get it.... 5e wanted to make feats more distinctive (well they technically wanted to make them optional but not sure how well that worked out). But I think they went against the grain here. People like feats, they WANT feats. At minimum I think 1st level characters should get a feat. [/QUOTE]

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