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<blockquote data-quote="Garthanos" data-source="post: 8415493" data-attributes="member: 82504">I do not think that is as common as you would have it.The gamblers urge seems to be the core of most who I have heard argue for it. They want the thrill from a chance to &quot;fail&quot; going out the gate because it pays for the chance to massively &quot;win&quot; gaining significantly more power purely by a one time act that is nothing even vaguely like skill.You can call the opposite for the 3x power build fan seems to want to show off his optimizing chops and is fine with removing the fun of the game play when he does. (4e has very few routes to that but still has a complex character creation you do not like)&nbsp;And you are right with the potency of 5e feats and the imbalance of them and the complexity and dangers of 5e multiclassing the character creation game has definitely not gone away.Arguably in spite of 4e character creation having more choice points in I would say they are all less prone to oops.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Garthanos, post: 8415493, member: 82504"] I do not think that is as common as you would have it. The gamblers urge seems to be the core of most who I have heard argue for it. They want the thrill from a chance to "fail" going out the gate because it pays for the chance to massively "win" gaining significantly more power purely by a one time act that is nothing even vaguely like skill. You can call the opposite for the 3x power build fan seems to want to show off his optimizing chops and is fine with removing the fun of the game play when he does. (4e has very few routes to that but still has a complex character creation you do not like) And you are right with the potency of 5e feats and the imbalance of them and the complexity and dangers of 5e multiclassing the character creation game has definitely not gone away. Arguably in spite of 4e character creation having more choice points in I would say they are all less prone to oops. [/QUOTE]

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