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<blockquote data-quote="Klaus" data-source="post: 3793232" data-attributes="member: 607"><p>Y'know, I fail to see where's all this awesomeness people are raving about.</p><p></p><p>Devils as plotters/schemers -> Logical extension of them being LE. They have been this way for a long time. In Planescape the devils marched in perfect battallions.</p><p></p><p>Demons as impulse-driven destroyers -> Logical extension of them being CE. They have been this way for a long time. In Planescape the demons advanced as savage hordes.</p><p></p><p>Granted, in the past several demons have been portrayed as schemers rather than destroyers, including luminaries such as Grazzt, Lolth, Iuz, Pazuriel and nearly all mariliths. This was mostly because the authors needed to write about some big bad demon and "conniving schemer plotting the downfall of Good" yields more text than "kill kill KILL KILL!!!!".</p><p></p><p>As for the planes themselves, while it's too ealry to judge anything, I wonder why do we have to get a clear origin for something as mind-bogglingly ancient as the Outer Planes. I mean, the real world has no origin for the Christian/Jewish/Muslim Hell. The Greeks only went as far as to say that Tarterus was the son of Gaea (iirc). The Norse universe was built from Ymir, a frost giant, with no mention of how Ymir came to be. Ditto with the Greek Chaos, who preceded and gave birth to Gaea.</p><p></p><p>So for me, the descriptions of demons and devils are nothing special, just extrapolations of their traditional philosophies, and the Outer Planes are unnecessarily explained.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Klaus, post: 3793232, member: 607"] Y'know, I fail to see where's all this awesomeness people are raving about. Devils as plotters/schemers -> Logical extension of them being LE. They have been this way for a long time. In Planescape the devils marched in perfect battallions. Demons as impulse-driven destroyers -> Logical extension of them being CE. They have been this way for a long time. In Planescape the demons advanced as savage hordes. Granted, in the past several demons have been portrayed as schemers rather than destroyers, including luminaries such as Grazzt, Lolth, Iuz, Pazuriel and nearly all mariliths. This was mostly because the authors needed to write about some big bad demon and "conniving schemer plotting the downfall of Good" yields more text than "kill kill KILL KILL!!!!". As for the planes themselves, while it's too ealry to judge anything, I wonder why do we have to get a clear origin for something as mind-bogglingly ancient as the Outer Planes. I mean, the real world has no origin for the Christian/Jewish/Muslim Hell. The Greeks only went as far as to say that Tarterus was the son of Gaea (iirc). The Norse universe was built from Ymir, a frost giant, with no mention of how Ymir came to be. Ditto with the Greek Chaos, who preceded and gave birth to Gaea. So for me, the descriptions of demons and devils are nothing special, just extrapolations of their traditional philosophies, and the Outer Planes are unnecessarily explained. [/QUOTE]
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