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<blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 3793433" data-attributes="member: 1465"><p>Interesting, this is very good fluff IMO.</p><p></p><p>It's also pretty adaptable. For example the nature of devils and demons can be very easily applied to the great wheel without using the new Astral Sea and Elemental Tempest, just "move" their planes wherever you want them to be.</p><p></p><p>It's not really a new thing about fiends by the way, this article is just streamlining and stressing the differences, instead of "mirroring" each other (something that I certainly don't like in 3e). For example, it sounds good to me that demons are giving up on souls. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> </p><p></p><p>Note that Hell is now fully a deity's realm, so mortals who worshipped (or perhaps unvoluntary served...) Asmodeus are going to Hell. There is no mention (yet) about a similar possibility to go to the Abyss... it's possible that Tharizdun would become the patron deity there, or one of them. But I wouldn't mind if it doesn's, and Abyss ceases to be a destination for the mortal souls (it already isn't in my latest setting <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> ).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Li Shenron, post: 3793433, member: 1465"] Interesting, this is very good fluff IMO. It's also pretty adaptable. For example the nature of devils and demons can be very easily applied to the great wheel without using the new Astral Sea and Elemental Tempest, just "move" their planes wherever you want them to be. It's not really a new thing about fiends by the way, this article is just streamlining and stressing the differences, instead of "mirroring" each other (something that I certainly don't like in 3e). For example, it sounds good to me that demons are giving up on souls. :p Note that Hell is now fully a deity's realm, so mortals who worshipped (or perhaps unvoluntary served...) Asmodeus are going to Hell. There is no mention (yet) about a similar possibility to go to the Abyss... it's possible that Tharizdun would become the patron deity there, or one of them. But I wouldn't mind if it doesn's, and Abyss ceases to be a destination for the mortal souls (it already isn't in my latest setting :) ). [/QUOTE]
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